Going to play a Orc Death Knight and get to cracking on getting him to level 80.

My real question is....Who is running with The Horde and who is with The Alliance?

I don't really want to hear that you run with both...that just means you can't commit lol...commitment issues lol jk.

I run with Horde because I am a Undead/Orc user on the RTS and besides we just ROCK!

I'm an Alliance kind of guy I suppose, got a human mage and a draenei priest, both female. I do have a blood elf warlock too but rarely play him. Don't ask me how I ended up on the Alliance side, I thought I was Horde, until I created my mage that is. After that I was hooked.

By the way, I've parked that very mage in Menethil Harbor so I can board the first best boat to the Howling Fjord. Why the fjord? Well, the real fjords exist not too far away from my hometown, so I should feel right at home!

I thought the launch of WotLK would get me back into WoW, but it seems that's not gonna happen. Oh well.

Anything big gonna happen to druids in the expansion, by the way?

Well, it's 7:15 am here now and 'm finishing off my "night shift". So much greatness, especially the death knight staring area. What little I have seen from northrend looks pretty amazing, I'll be continuing this epicness tomorrow. But now, sleepy time.

it saddens me to see the mighty Lich King aka Arthas go down as some random boss in some MMORPG that doesn't have any real story whatsoever...

I love Warcraft,the story is epic and the characters are deep,WoW takes all that and destroys it.
Wouldn't you have loved to see guys like Illidan and Arthas go down in a dramatic ending with an awesome storyline and further character developpment? Instead Blizzard cashes in,taking their creation and going on with destroying it...what a shame.

I like both the MMO and RTS. I do however prefer the RTS over the MMO just because it takes skills to rally up a force that synergizes well enough for ladder play and there are TONS of mods such as DOTA,Footmen,TD and the list goes on and the only limitations are the imagination the player. Also there isn't as many jerk off kids that have a horrible attitude on WC3 unlike WoW where they are known to troll.

Now as for the villians. I really would have liked the epic stories for Arthas and Illidan and many of the other characters to be included and continued on WoW. Sure they are in the game but they seem weak when they are supposed to be the supreme powerhouses of the universe and I really didn't appreciate how easily they could be taken down. Also WoW is missing key things from the WC universe that I think should have been included in the game since the beginning.

I remember seeing an early trailer of WoW and it had Pandarens in it...now I have seen them around but I was lead to believe that it was going to be a playable race. Same with Naga and Draenei in a way. But they made them just cheap creeps. I would love to see a continuation for the RTS but not on in the MMO world.

WoW has a story: Once upon a time, EVERYBODY DIED over and over at the hand of random people who die over and over with the hope of satisfying their greedy selves.

KOTOR will surely go down the same way. Every character you once thought was cool will die in a very lame way.

Is anything sacred to game developers?

That's why it takes something like 20-40 people decked out in epic gear.

As for Arthas and Illidan getting killed "easily", I would have to say that I disagree. Illidan was killed by Maiev and Akama, who were aided by a band of adventurers. Beside, don't you think that making Illidan survive yet again would make his entire character pathetic? Imprisoned after War of the Ancients, banished after getting freed, failing to destroy the frozen throne, fleeing to Outland, getting caught by Kil'jaeden and then falling to Arthas at Icecrown. Aside from killing Tichondrious, he really didn't accomplish that much. Having him beaten but not killed again would more or less make him the "Epic Fail Guy" of Warcraft.

Now, as for Arthas, while we don't know how he will fall, I think it's safe to say that it will involve The Ashbringer, the only weapon which might stand a chance against Frostmourne. While we do not yet know the details, I think it's pretty safe to say that he won't go down "easily" seen from a lore point of view. And as much as I love Arthas as a character, I'd say that his defeat is necessary for story development.


Why should anything be sacred? Why should developers cling on to one concept or character and never allow it to disappear? Truth be told I'm pretty happy the Warcraft characters don't live forever, it allows the story to progress, otherwise we'd have the armies of Azeroth bouncing back and forth between Northrend time and time again without really accomplishing everything. Beside, for every major villain that falls, a new one is introduced or one that has been dormant returns, like "The Nightmare" and Deathwing, so there's no need to worry that the Warcraft lore will die just because a few of the current characters die.

The main problem isn't that they die,the problem is how they die!
Getting killed by a bunch off people even if you can say Illidan was betrayed and Arthas fell to the Ashbringer it'll still feel like a lie. It's not an epic showdown between 2 main characters and no great alliance between enemies who will be responsible for their downfall.
Of course you like WoW,so you defend it there's nothing wrong with that. Hell i took some shit when i was playing...but you can't tell me that the game does a good job further developping the characters and storyline that have been build up in Warcraft III/Frozen Throne.

not the ashbringer...THE SWORD OF A THOUSAND TRUTHS!!

seriously on topic, i don't know if i'd get back into WoW and level up my blood elf 10 more times, i guess i'll be waiting for the "other" hero classes they said...

I play Horde first faction I played as with my friends. I did try out alliance and went through every quest that was available at the time for both factions. Today I got my Orc Death Knight up to level 68. So I'm in Northrend now scoping out the new places and quests. I'm level 69 I would keep leveling but the body and mind can only take so much.

I get what you are saying, and hopefully the "history books" i.e the games after WoW will not depict these battles as the game did. As someone said: Lore=/=Game mechanics. I have to agree that everything leading up to Illidans downfall was pretty lame, as he himself was only introduced at the very end. I have to say that they are doing a better job woth Arthas in Wrath of the Lich King, as he is pretty much ever present, both in Northrend and the events leading up to the formation of The Knights of the Ebon Blade. Speaking which, there's a pretty sweet alliance for you, the order of paladins and a group of former Scourge serving death knights gone renegade.

I can't deny though that as an MMO, WoWs ability for storytelling is pretty limited, though I must say that the latest expansion does what it can. Granted it can never be as great as when depicted in an RTS, and that is not my major beef with the whole "killing of characters"-deal. My problem with that is that people seem to not want to move the plot forward and want certain characters to stay alive forever and ever, which I think limits the story even further. Basically what I'm trying to say is that people should allow the lore of Warcraft to evolve and not cry foul whenever it takes a turn which they do not prefer. Again, hopefully the games after WoW will depict the falls of Illidan and Arthas in a bit more interesting way than was displayed in the game.

You need a level 55 character on the server you intend to create the Death Knight. Eventually you'll be able to chose server freely but for now you are restricted to any server on which you have a level 55+ character.