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Now put it on a shirt.

As I am in no way a creative person:

If this gets chosen, then it will have "the game heroes" on the back of the shirt.

I made designs based on what I would want to wear (likewise with color choice)
Orange is the least liked color in the visible spectrum, red is a better alternative. SO i deviated from using it even though its the "color" of the henchmen.

Yes, I know I am on a coat of arms kick (see sig) but Its a cool symbol that I think people would want to represent and stand behind. I chose lions and bears as the "mascots" b/c it was difficult to summarize "sidekick" or "henchmen" with one character, animals suffice where characters fail. Plus if they were in a fight, its a toss up between who would win so it has a level of equality. Hope you like.

JB Artisan can I shake your hand? You're awesome.

I really hope these designs get picked, that's the kind of shirt I would wear. And I agree about the colors, they're really better this way (for a shirt anyway).

JB Artisan you've done it again, those are awesome shirts that I would so love to wear

Well, there goes all of my hard work down the tubes.

I actually need to change sidekick to sidekicks* I want it plural, because you belong to a collective. you are one of the many. Much like a sports team.

as much as I liked that quote from the Dark Knight, I am keeping what I have.

because no one equates a shield as immovable, or a sword as unstoppable, because guns stop and move them both. Plus it's a big cliche for offense and defense. In a fight, give me a sword. And having a shield as the "symbol" of sidekicks isn't as cool as having a F-ing sword for your symbol as a henchmen.

JB, i love the design and the concept. I feel that it is missing just a small element. I dont think it needs to be a cliche object, but something that more defines the sidekick and henchmen mentality. I love the ambiguity, but i feel like it needs to be more defined.... juuuust a tad.

I think the sidekick logo should be the Robin mask, seeing how he's one of the most famous sidekicks.

Firstly I want to say, I appreciate any/all feedback on my work. I made this for everyone in hopes that it would be liked, so I am glad it was appreciated and critiqued so it could become better.

joe, I see what you are getting at where I can refine the design, which I am more than willing to do...

However...I am torn...

because this is a contest, and not a commission, in my eyes- it's unfair for me to make changes accordingly. It gives me an unfair advantage over anyone else who wants to participate when I become a vehicle for everyone's taste. Because what I am essentially doing is campaigning for favorable appeal.

I want to make it perfect so those who wear the design can dawn it with pride, and don't get me wrong, with my highly competitive nature- i WANT to win. But I want to win with the same odds and chances that everyone else has. And tomorrow or the next day, someone is going to blow your minds with a new design, and another entry will be on the same level along side mine and many others for the choosing.

I have no problem refining my design under different circumstances, I'd be more than happy to, but as I said, right now it just isn't fair to everyone else.

You're still probably going to win even if you don't.

so how'd you know what quote I was referring to in order to mention it in the last paragraph?



well, i still stick to my guns and am keeping what I have for all the reasons I stated.

You're reasoning behind your logic is protected under the umbrella of "opinion" but you really only prove my idea that the sword and shield is cliche and does not really draw parallels with the form of sidekicks and henchmen or unstoppable/immovable forces in people's minds.

Trigun and WOW as popular as they might be, are not folklore. they might have lose ties and 4th hand themes abstractly relating to real folklore, but if you are going into true lore/myth, use something like the Iliad and the Odyssey, Beowulf, early African Folklore, Egyptian folklore, dynastic Chinese folklore, and all other Greek myths.

I must have missed the physics class where the professor threw out the whole idea of inertia and asked us about forces in the universe that don't exist. and what would happen if they met. The closest I've ever come to that is, "could god make a rock so big he couldn't lift it"
and if I was asked, "what force in nature is either immovable or unstoppable" I would think a little outside the box and say something like "time." so that question is more allied with philosophy than physics.

Not if you have a flux capacitor. Doc Brown's philosophy is physics.

Some other possibilities...

this is a little something that i made today, if you like it tell me so i'll put it more work into it.

Hay what's goin on in this thread?