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 Post subject: Re: Pirating for it or against it?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:33 pm 
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Ah I remember my first pirating, my older brother knew a guy back in the day who'd get us movies on tape before they were even in theaters. We did this with Highlander 3.

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Ah I remember my first pirating, my older brother knew a guy back in the day who'd get us movies on tape before they were even in theaters. We did this with Highlander 3.


Whatever wrong you have done in your life, Highlander 3 is punishment enough.

There should have been only one.

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I'm not really against pirating or with it. I hate the fact how some people do it and get away with while it's something illegal but sometimes anti piracy gets so bad that it screws some people over.

This video shows a way it does.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=j-uulRB1OmY

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I think Piracy IS wrong, it offers the mentality "why bother paying for it, when I could get it for free?". It also causes businesses to lose tons of money, and causes cast and crew members to not get their weekly "Syndie Check" in the mail.

However, I am AGAINST groups like the RIAA, trying to stop it. People will always listen to music for free, and people will always find a way to get it for free.

It's just like when you watch an NBA Game and they say "You can't redistribute any of this footage without written consent from the National Basketball Association". People will still tape the game, and upload it on YouTube, because it was an awesome game, and it's a part of Sports History.

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Pirating isn't bad nor good. It has a its pros and cons. As much I can i try not to pirate anything but being a practical person, i obviously can't help it. Music i pirate *some*, I'm the type of guy who likes to try out alot of artists, not taking the radio or music videos or randomly searching youtube I download full albums if I REALLY like them and I see their album in a record bar I make my purchase.

Movies, well not that much. I go out to see a flick once in a while and it's always cool when you see it on the big screen. I only download movies if they're foreign. A bunch of japanese flicks and some kung fu stuff yeah!

Anime now here's where its a little different. I was a member of a fansub once, if anyone knows AnimeOne I was in it at some point and was a really active member in the animesuki forums. fansubbing is like promoting an anime so it has to be downloaded at some point and it isn't illegal alot of great anime rose up from fansubs (death note, haruhi to name 2). i do buy mangas when its available and some dvd box sets but i have 2 hard drives (around 680 gb) worth of downloaded anime...

Sad it may be all my adobe products (except reader cuz its free) are downloaded Link I can feel for you. I have a bunch of CS3 products from Dreamweaver, Flash, Photoshop, After Effects etc. My copy of Visual Studio 2005 (programming) is pirated my SQL server 2005 is pirated.

Now, back to being practical I am currently taking up Information Technology and all these programs (well most of them anyways) are really essential for my future career which I really can't afford lately, my tuition is bad enough. Having the opportunity to get it for a couple hundred bucks or for free...what would you choose right?

oh on the brighter side, I don't pirate console games.

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While being a pirate is always fashionable, ripping music off isn't always the coolest and is often like drinking booze, enjoyable only in moderation. But there are those unfashionable lads and lasses who binge download and sell shit like evil skid marks, and that's no fun for anyone.

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With music, If it's an artist I trully support and like, I buy their CDs. I have a small CD collection consisting of System of a Down, The Killers, Daft Punk, Dethklok, Guns & Roses, and a few others. But if it's like ONE song that I like, I'd rather just pirate it. I feel it's stupid to buy a whole album if you only like one song. YES I can purchase a single song, but I would rather add up my cash to buy a whole album of a band I Like. and you make more cash selling a whole album rather than selling a single. This is why I see that pirating does work in some aspects.

Movies, I'm not much a movie guy anyways, I would mostly wait for a movie to just be shown on TV. which only takes a year or 2. If it's a movie that I feel is a must see, then, yeah, I head to the movies. Movies make enough cash anyways. Even if the movie is a flop, it still makes millions, so if I was into pirating movies, I would do it. Heck, I want to start doing it now! But I do support indi films, I would never pirate an indi flick(and I don't mean Dr. Jones)

Games, I can't really pirate it much, unless it's at rediculous prices. Marvel vs Capcom 2 $90 used? go fuck yourself...
but if it's something that can easily be found in stores, I would rather spend money on it. If it's hard to find at a resonable price, then I would hunt it down. It feels satifying when you do find it. Like how I found Sillouette Mirage brand new in a gamestore in Yonkers(Upstate NY) for $20. I still can't find Fire Emblem:Path of Radiance, but if it's less than $50, then I'll buy. Point is, if your being a greedy bastard, then the pirate life is for me.

If it's a big company that could survive losing 10 dollars, then I won't loose any sleep over it.

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if anyone knows AnimeOne I was in it at some point and was a really active member in the animesuki forums.


Which projects were you involved with? I always made it a priority to download AnimeOne fansubs back in the day. :)

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well i was in the samurai champloo project (honestly that was my last one) timing and grammar (you know japanese how different they are right?) and i was in the chrno crusade one aswell. i didn't really do that much because i was a primary seeder for most of their projects it was fun though.

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I admit that I download; movies, music, television shows. Media does tend to get more and more expensive while your wage at your job stays the same. Lets face it, when people are given the choice to purchase something over getting it for free, their going to edge over to the free side. Plus, the media business is just corrupt enough where as people won't feel guilty about it at all.

A lot of the things that I download aren't even available for purchase anyway. Like TV shows and old movies that are not released on DVD or movies from foreign countries.

In fact fan-sub media in general is the main thing I download with no guilt strings attached. Like anime for instance. Lets say your favorite anime is finally being released in America, but the voice overs literally make your ears bleed. They also cut and edit so much of it that you barely can tell what your watching anymore. What do you do? Buy the uncut special edition DVD collectors set despite the subtitles being the same lame ass dialog? Or do you download the free fan-sub where everything you love is preserved?

Although I'm not perfect at this, but I do tend to buy the things that I love unconditionally and would love an official hard copy of. Family Guy did get a second chance in life simply by DVD sales. Gotta give props to where they're due.


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Piracy- What the internet was made for.


Actually porn my friend.

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Piracy- What the internet was made for.


Actually porn my friend.

Lemme edit that real quick for ya pal.

Piracy- What the internet was made for.... Oh... And porn.

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Pirating is stealing, no matter how you try to justify it. The reason people think it is okay to do so is because it is an intellectual property and not a physical one. Internet is still pretty recent especially p2p, so people are still not able to get used to the idea that software is also property.

Anyways, while I do nitpick, I must admit, I sometimes do pirate stuff as well. Also, that "test the music out before you buy the album" is bullshit, first because you contradict yourself by claiming that buying cd's do not support the band but the the publication office. Second of all, you're probably going to download the rest and put it into ur ipod and forget about "paying the band". You can lie, since you're on the internet, but we all know that ur lying, it's human nature.

What really pisses me off is those who profit off the software they pirate. From pirated software stores to those cheap-ass dickheads who download photoshop/macromedia stuff and start a website design firm, or professional photography or even some retarded "by-request" artwork on deviant art.
If you're dick enough to do that, you're not different than those peddlers that drive their cube vans and sell stolen TVs.


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I've actually been wondering recently if using emulators is the same as pirating? I'm talking about Snes,Nes,Genesis emulators. Obviously emulating PS3,Xbox 360 or Wii games would be pirating, but the 8 bit and 16 bit games are no longer made. So in a sense emulation of old games that are no longer made or sold is not the same as downloading an old song which isprobably still produced and sold. Am I wrong in this?

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Pirating is stealing, no matter how you try to justify it. The reason people think it is okay to do so is because it is an intellectual property and not a physical one. Internet is still pretty recent especially p2p, so people are still not able to get used to the idea that software is also property.


I don't think they justify it because of that reasoning, though that could be part. I think it's more along the lines of either "everybody does it" or "shit's too expensive." Granted it's a lot easier to steal an encoded movie then a DVD, but I think that hard copy sales would still be suffering even if file sharing wasn't so rampant. Like someone said, prices are up, gas prices are up, unemployment is up, and wages are the same. If I have to choose food vs. new copy of Jumper, I go food.

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I think pirating is bad but I still do it, movies I download once in a while or if it had never been released on DVD or something even then I still go out of my way to find a VHS copy to watch and then copy over to DVD. Same with movies out in theaters I go watch it there then come home and download it I don't see any harm in that I have already payed for it once. Vintage games I think I have played maybe 5 roms in my life just to see if I like them then I go and buy it other roms I have played are like nes games that were never released. PC programs .... I bought windows 95 98 xp and Vista does that count? Mp3s about half on my ipod are pirated.


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I'm solidly against it. I feel that, if you like a game, you should you support the publishers by purchasing the game fair and square. This arrangement is beneficial in that the publisher makes money, and then puts out more of said game. If too many people are pirating, I think it'll eventually bite us all in the ass. My roommate used to have a huge book of pirated X-Box games and he'd offer to burn me copies all the time, but I turned him down. Personally, I like collecting the games, cover and all, and having them in my shelf like trophies :-D I can understand if money is an issue, but come on - there are ways around that. First of all, don't buy the games brand spanking new. I know it's hard to resist, especially if its a cool title, but what are you missing NOW that you can't play LATER when the game is much cheaper? In the meantime, you'd be surprised at the fantastic gems you'll find for 5 bucks in the bargain bin.

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Ah I remember my first pirating, my older brother knew a guy back in the day who'd get us movies on tape before they were even in theaters. We did this with Highlander 3.

Someone uses Demonoid. <_<

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I can see how buying new games supports publishers, so I try to do so as often as possible, although not many new games interest me that much (my Xbox gathers dust, while my Wii does get quite a bit of use, mostly for Nintendo franchises though). However, I fail to see how downloading a game that's been out of production for 10 years harms the publisher in any way. If I buy a copy of the same game off eBay, I'm not supporting the publisher, I'm just providing money for the person who is selling it. I also prefer owning a game on hard copy, so I can say I actually have it, but if a game is very expensive due to rarity I may download it. Maybe rather than buying individual games, we could pay a yearly amount directly to the developer and get any games they produce? I'd prefer that to buying individual games!


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