Kinda surprised this one hasn't come up yet. But I'm sure thats because its such a touchy subject.

Me personally, while I feel the act is a pretty horrible one and should always be the very last option, I still believe it should be legal. Its all comes down to when people feel that that clump of multiplying cells in a woman's uterus becomes a living being. Until technology is developed to determine when a fetus has cognitive thought or can detect a soul, we will never know. I personally believe that the fetus comes into being when the heart begins beating and the brain has developed for the most part along with other organs. This usually happens around the 3rd month (or first trimester). I feel abortions that happen after 3 months shouldn't be allowed unless the mother is threatened and could die. But honestly, 3 months is more than enough time to decide whether you want a child or not.

And guys, I know religion can be a big factor for a lot of you. So I'm not telling you that you can't bring it up...but try not to use it as your end all, be all argument for abortion.

Play nice everyone.

The reason that this subject is so tough for me to figure out, is not that I feel really strongly for one side. It's that I can see the argument from all sides and they all make sense to me. I literally riding the fence on this one, but it's about 14 different fences.

This is one of those issues that I believe will never have a solution that will please everyone.

Here is how I see it. People who want to have an aborition usually have it for one of a few reasons.

1. They cant have the child for either financial or other reasons.
2. They dont want to have a child.
3. They became pregnant because of rape or something along those lines.
4. They are retarded and got knocked up at a barn dance by Uncle Jimmy and half of the boys who work at the mechanic shop down the street.

Now other than #3 those reasons are due to people being idiots. If you use the pill and condoms the chances of getting pregnant are slim to nill. If you are unable to take care of a child and become pregnant youre an idiot. If you dont want to have a child and you become pregnant, youre an idiot. If you want to fuck everything that has a wang and not use protection to not become pregnant, youre an idiot and a whore.

Honestly do you think that these idiotic people should be having children? Putting on a comdom isnt a problem. Getting the pill or the patch, or a spongue or any other form of female controceptive is easy and if you dont like one there are others to chose from.

Im all for abortions. But I also think that unless there is a negative effect on the person getting an abortion then its not worth it. Make it so that they have to pay for the procedure and also do 100 hours of community service, able to be spilt up between the 2 people or just done 100% by one of the people involved in the baby fiasco. This way it might be the thought process of "I dont care about the procedure, I just dont want to have to pick garbage up from the side of the highway for another 3 months." Maybe that will scare them off a bit more.

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The thing is, I think there is a pretty big misconception on how the procedure works and what it does to a woman's mind and body. An abortion is a horrific procedure, plain and simple and it puts an insane amount of stress and damage to a woman's body. Its not an in the door, out the door kind of procedure but a woman most times will be bed ridden for a couple days following. So it pisses me off when I hear idiots talking about abortion being an alternative to protected sex. An abortion is not the equivalent of the morning after pill. It is a very serious procedure and shouldn't be taken likely.

I never implied that it wasnt a serious situation where complications couldnt happen. I know a lot of females that have had abortions (I had nothing to do with them) and I know the phyical and mental consequences of having it done. I am also aware of the possibiltiy of the woman not being able to have children afterwards, infections, internal bleeding, scarring and other very negative consequences of having it done.

I am just stating the obvious. If you dont want to have a kid then use protection. It is taught in most schools before the majority of children are sexually active. It is made available to anyone of any age at any time by a pharmasist for condoms and available by request of a doctor, depending on where you live by age, or to anyone of any age who requests it for the pill or patch.

Most companies with health plans cover the cost of the pill or patch. There are also planned parenthood clinics and offices who offer the pill and condoms for free at no cost at all and have a doctor on staff who will prescribe it if you talk to them about it and the reality of becoming pregnant.

Doing these things doesnt take long. The longest is the 10min talk at planned parrenthood. The others are just asking for it. That is all. If someone is unable to do this then I consider them an idiot, because they are not thinking of their future, the future of the child, the negative effects of having an abortion and the negative effects of society paying to raise their child if they are unable to do so, either through welfare or the adoption system.

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Oh, I was never implying that you said that. Truth be told, what you said reminded me of those idiots that see it that way though. You know...those idiot whores.

this ones the mother of all serious debate topics , and I really dont want to get too deep into it as this is one of the few topics that actualy make me semi uncomfortable to discuss because you never know who you are going to offend or how much it will take to offend them , im sort of border line on the fence about it, while leaning twards being against it.

I will say this, I am 100% stone cold against people who abuse abortion and use it as an excuse to fuck like a bunny in heat - the sort who go out and screw anyone that is warm, and if they get knocked up get an abortion, ive heard of a few people who have had 6 or 7 - thats just careless and stupid and abusing it, like crx said put on a damn rubber, or use the pill / patch, or whatever it takes to PREVENT getting pregnant if you dont want a child.

I am completely against abortion.

It is a horrible process where a human life is lost. How can anyone approve of such an act where the most innocent and sinless object in existence is punished because some stupid bitch and/or asshole can't figure out how to use a rubber? The least punishable people in existence are babies. They are completely devoid of any sin. They haven't even had the chance to do anything wrong and some woman decides to kill the thing.

Of course, there are the societal benefits of such an action. Not making the population larger, supposedly "sparing the child of a bad life (or some other bullshit a woman will make up to justify getting an abortion)", etc. I just don't see how anyone can weigh these against the morality of the situation.

I know women know it's wrong. There is no way a woman, a natural mother, could give up their child without any repercussions upon themselves. I'm sure there are a lot of pro choice women but deep down, they know it's wrong. They are mostly just expressing their freedom of choice.

Crittbeast, while I do agree with your views of the morality of the procedure, I think you are looking at things a little one sided (such as things stated by Link). Now I dunno if you missed my take, but honestly I think having an abortion after the 3rd month is a terrible idea, because after the first trimester...its pretty clear that the fetus is alive and most likely having cognitive thought. Before the 3rd month though, the heart hasn't started beating, the brain isn't functioning, meaning its still just a clump of cells multiplying. Yes, it has the potential to become a baby but honestly, the first trimester is a hurdle for most mothers. A majority of miscarriages happen during this stage and here's the interesting bit...what is done with these fetuses that are miscarried? The same thing with aborted fetuses. Why? Its because the fetus never fully developed and was never living. Seriously, if people buried the fetuses of miscarriages...graveyards would be super crowded.

I know this became disturbingly graphic but it proves the point that a lot happens after that 3 month period.

You'd think that somebody who was going into the reproduction field would have a stronger stance on this topic, but I really don't have any strong feelings for either side of the case. I know however that I lean towards pro-life more than I do pro-choice. That's probably because I'm a Christian. However I too wonder when one should consider a fetus an unborn child? Should it be when the child is a fetus, an embryo, or a zygote? What about the various methods used to help women who are having trouble getting pregnant? Normally they fertilize a slew of eggs and use them to help the woman conceive. In those cases, why aren't we having a fit over the fertilized eggs that don't take or are discarded afterward?

Like the "gay marriage" issue, I don't wish to take a definite stance because I do not know what God would want. It was never really an issue in the Bible. I guess in the end, you can say that my attitude is similar to Beeslo's, but I am more likely to think poorly of somebody who got an abortion even before the second trimester.

I don't have a stance on this. I just don't.

I was going to post a reply at my standard length, but realized it could easily turn into an essay. Thus I'll summarize my opinion very briefly:

I'm all for it.

Not ever experiencing life is worse than any kind of death I can imagine.

Experiencing a bad life could be worse

It's still better than experiencing no life at all because someone decided to let their selfish tendencies take them over.

That's just my opinion, though.

And I respect your opinion, Crittbeast. You are right where there are people who use abortion for very selfish reasons but you haven't really mentioned how you feel about women who have been raped. And sadly, there are cased where women have been raped at a young age like 12, by a member of their family and got pregnant. What about these cases? Where not only is a pregnancy conceived in such a horrific manner but because of incest, the child might even have to severe genetic disorders?

My biggest stance on this issue is that the government has no right to completely remove abortion. Regulating it...maybe not as bad. Much like gun control. Don't take it away, but regulate it.

I wouldn't be fully happy with government regulation, but it would work for me.

Indeed, my sister studies psychology and once told me of a case so horrible that I won't even mention it here. Trust me, no matter how horrible dying might be (who knows, it might not be bad at all) death sounded like paradise compared to what this person had endured. Not too surprising she thought the same and took matters into her own hands, despite years of therapy.