Low Budget Jeff wrote:
Danimal Collective wrote:
Who has bailed on the protest? I haven't. The protest is getting bigger and bigger...
Tell you what, let's revisit this in a month, then three, then six, then a year. If the protest is still as strong or stronger, I will admit I was wrong in my line of thinking. If it manages to enact change, real change, I will admit I was wrong. I have no issue stating that my line of thought may be incorrect. I just don't think it is, I think people will lose interest, the movement will stall and the protests will stop. While I am encouraged by your dedication, you can't speak for the movement as a whole, only yourself.
The Tea Party protested health care reform and got change through the legal system. Saying you want to change how the ruling class rules through protest is a different animal entirely. The first worked within the system, the second is asking to change the system. Those in power won't relinquish their power because some people with cardboard signs demand it. By changing health care through protest and legislation that is stating that "that kind" of democracy does still work.
Change in societal structure won't happen by sleeping in tents on the sidewalks screaming about injustice in the way the upper echelon mandates the masses. True societal change occurs naturally over time or through violent revolution. Anything else is a waste of time or a trend for people to feel like they are a part of something bigger than themselves but without having to truly risk anything. Do you really think that a good portion of these people are willing to lay it all on the line for this cause?
Well, first off, protests aren't designed to last indefinitely they are designed to spark a movement (hopefully, the %99 Movement). The people in Selma, AL only marched for a few days... they didn't march for the entire Civil Rights period. It was the marches, the sit-ins, the massive community organizing, and the people that got Civil Rights to pass through mass demonstration organized by a singular movement. This Occupation is just the first shot. I think this will spark a movement. Also, the fact that now many cities and towns are now having their own Occupy Protests is evidence of that.
Second, you're just flat wrong on the Tea Party.
By changing health care through protest and legislation that is stating that "that kind" of democracy does still work.
They didn't change it through legislation, the representatives did. They protested and marched and got massive media coverage. I can't walk into congress and propose an amendment to a bill, I need to get a representative to do that. Unfortunately, if you aren't backed by the corporations and, by association, their massive amounts of money (like the Tea Party was, SEE: FreedomWorks, Tea Party Express, Americans for Prosperity, Koch Industries), the reps wont listen to you. That is what we are trying to change. We're going to force them to listen.
Democracy in action isn't protest, it's about gathering enough support of your cause and getting your cause on ballots so the masses can either agree or disagree with your views.
I don't remember voting on the healthcare bill, do you? If the American people voted on the healthcare bill, we'd have single payer by a large margin. We, the people, do not vote on federal legislation or even state legislation most of the time, our representatives do that. The problem is, our reps are mostly bought off by people who have the money and profits to gain from certain legislation. I still contend that our Democratic system is broken and the only way to change it is through mass demonstrations.
And yes, I do believe that people will "lay it all on the line" because that is what they're doing right now. Everyday, the people out there are risking it all by being out there. Scott Olsen, the former Marine that got hit in the head with a tear gas canister, is now awake but totally nonverbal... probably for the rest of his life. He risked it all. I only wish I could be at my local Occupy protest more than three days a week.