Doctor Who Discussion Thread: Old and New

Legotoadeto · **Joined:** Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:10 am **Posts:** 1258

Link wrote:

As I tell absolutely everyone... re-read my edit to the first post and do yourself a HUGE favor and watch those tie-in series as well. It will make the later season finale a katrillionbillion times better because it has so many crossover characters and in-jokes and it's just nerdgasmic.

Definitely. Only thing i'd be sad about is that I'd have to take a break to watch all those series and stop watching the Doctor.

Fandango · **Posted:** Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:42 pm

Thought I'd post in the proper topic for a change (awesome)

Anyhoo: (Up to Doctor Who series 4 finale thoughts)

Torchwood and Doctor Who have this tendency to be insanely bittersweet. There's usually a happy ending to be found, but there's always something big or small that's really dark or depressing.

Torchwood is great, truth be told. It's kind of like if The X-files crossed with Angel. The team is great and they really grew on me. Especially Owen, who I didn't like at the start. But man, did he grow as a character. Oh and Janto, man!
And don't get me started on Captain John Hurt.

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I lawled so much. Maybe the best character of the entire show. :rabbid:

Sarah Jane's first season was alright, but nothing groundbreaking. Absolutely fantastic as a kids show, but still. Right now I'm watching season 2 and it's better. But still not great. Feels less like a kids show now though. Which is fantastic.

And Doctor Who is just plain damned brilliant. David Tennant was the best doctor ever, Eccleston was awesome (big ears and all) and the companions were all alright. Rose really improved in that second season, turning in to a great character. Martha was fresh and light and Donna slapped the doctor around. Nothing but possitives :yum:

But again, Doc Who can get pretty dark sometimes :ohnoes:

Link · **Posted:** Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:21 pm

Legotoadeto wrote:

Definitely. Only thing i'd be sad about is that I'd have to take a break to watch all those series and stop watching the Doctor.

Read Puddle Jumper's love letter topic to me. Trust me, it pays off in a huge way. Those series are so good, and tie in so well, and the Doctor cameos in their shows and they cameo in his that it really just feels like extra Dr. Who by the end.

Fandango · **Posted:** Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:26 pm

Link wrote:

Legotoadeto wrote:

Definitely. Only thing i'd be sad about is that I'd have to take a break to watch all those series and stop watching the Doctor.

Read Puddle Jumper's love letter topic to me. Trust me, it pays off in a huge way. Those series are so good, and tie in so well, and the Doctor cameos in their shows and they cameo in his that it really just feels like extra Dr. Who by the end.

Definitely.

Both Sarah Jane as Jack Harkness have appeared in the Doctor Who series. Not to mention

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and K9, though it only cameos.

Also I just remembered ... JACK HARKNESS IS

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Whoa!

EDIT: ALSO

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Link · **Posted:** Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:54 pm

In response to your edit, I also couldn't stop laughing. That was by far the best joke in the entire new series.

mscupcakes · **Posted:** Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:41 pm

Puddle Jumper wrote:

EDIT: ALSO

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What's the name of that episode?

Xylon Lionheart · **Posted:** Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:31 am

At this point I've only seen the fifth series all the way through, though I've seen sporadic episodes of all the other new series. I don't have any desire to watch the spin-off shows. Anyway, I know that David Tennant is awesome, but Matt Smith is definitely my favorite Doctor I've seen thus far.

Legotoadeto · **Joined:** Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:10 am **Posts:** 1258

The payoff for watching these spin-offs better be worth it. I'm in the middle of season 1 of Torchwood, and it's not terrible, but not great. Aside from Harkness, the other characters are pretty annoying. Especially Gwen and Owen.

Fandango · **Posted:** Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:48 am

mscupcakes wrote:

What's the name of that episode?

The Poison Sky. It's part of a two episode arc. It follows The Sontaran Stratagem

Legotoadeto wrote:

The payoff for watching these spin-offs better be worth it. I'm in the middle of season 1 of Torchwood, and it's not terrible, but not great. Aside from Harkness, the other characters are pretty annoying. Especially Gwen and Owen.

Gwen pretty much keeps all those annoyances but she's fleshed out for the better as well. Owen just starts to kick ass all over the place ^^

Fandango · **Posted:** Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:26 am

Sorry to be double posting but damn. Just saw The End of Time. And ... yeah, well, I'm still crying. FFS :cry:

Fantastic work of television.

Coming off of Torchwood: Children of Earth, that's a whole lot of emotion going around. DJEEZ.

These two must be the greatest pieces of television I have ever seen.

Legotoadeto · **Joined:** Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:10 am **Posts:** 1258

Puddle Jumper wrote:

Sorry to be double posting but damn. Just saw The End of Time. And ... yeah, well, I'm still crying. FFS :cry:

. . .

Awwww crap.. now I'm scared to watch it... I teared up a bit when K-9 went down in School Reuinion.

Fandango · **Posted:** Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:51 am

Legotoadeto wrote:

Puddle Jumper wrote:

Sorry to be double posting but damn. Just saw The End of Time. And ... yeah, well, I'm still crying. FFS :cry:

. . .

Awwww crap.. now I'm scared to watch it... I teared up a bit when K-9 went down in School Reuinion.

And then you will be missing out on one of the most episode (2-parter but hey) in the whole history of Doctor Who.

Fox · **Joined:** Tue May 27, 2008 1:07 am **Posts:** 1509

The Christmas Carol episode was really good. One of the best Matt Smith episodes so far. It wasn't exactly would you would think. It was kind of nice to have an episode that doesn't have some evil alien being behind it all and really focus on characters and story. I'm not sure if they show this one as part of the season or not but well worth tracking down. I rented the blu ray and it looked 10x better than broadcast quality.

Link · **Posted:** Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:59 am

I'll say this about the spin-offs, Torchwood and Sarah Jane both have rocky Season 1's, and then they find a voice of their own. If you were digging K-9 then you'll enjoy his presence as a full-time member of the cast in Sarah Jane Season 3.

What it all comes down to though is this:

There is a MAJOR Torchwood spoiler at the end of Season 3 of Dr. Who, and possibly with any other future appearances of Jack Harkness in the series. Thus the importance of not waiting to watch the spin-offs or else major spoilage happens.

Characters from the spin-offs cameo regularly throughout each others series. Dr. Who makes an off camera appearance in Torchwood, and has 2 on camera episodes in Sarah Jane in her later series. K-9 also becomes a regular on that series. It's just nice to know who these characters are and what their stories are, it really helps flesh out the universe as a whole.

Legotoadeto · **Joined:** Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:10 am **Posts:** 1258

Yeah, I'm in the Middle of Dr. Who, season 4, but stopped to watch Torchwood, so I know the huge spoiler at the end of Season 3.

and my thoughts on that:

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Fandango · **Posted:** Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:42 am

1) Merrill from DA2 is voiced by the actress playing Gwen Cooper :rabbid:

2) Matt Smith as The Doctor. Not bad. Not bad at all. His posture bugs the hell out of me, the slumping and all, but overall he's a pretty cool Doctor. No David Tennant, but well on his own and equally as good in his own way.
Amy is cool too. Reminds me a lot of the Tenth Doctor in some ways.

3) Torchwood

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4) Sarah Jane season 2 ... FUCKING CLOWNS are the scary :-(

5) Yeah, you really need to watch everything in order. Makes everything so much better, if you ask me. Adds a bit of depth to everything like vvvvv

6) The End of Time

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EDIT ONE:

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This doctor is helluva good for awesomeness tho

Link · **Posted:** Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:58 pm

Legotoadeto wrote:

Yeah, I'm in the Middle of Dr. Who, season 4, but stopped to watch Torchwood, so I know the huge spoiler at the end of Season 3.

Actually that's not the huge spoilers. The spoiler was more Torchwood related and less so Dr. Who related.

Fandango · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:16 pm

I think I figured something out and I hope someone else agrees. But, I think I understand what it is about season 5 that I'm having a problem with. Everything is so ... emotionally unattached. It's like the Tenth Doctor seasons Light.

Like for instance

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Wow that sounded weird typing it out like that. Anyhoo.

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It's kind of like House M.D. where you know that if something is right, it's bound to get wronged. It'd be like if something went right and stayed right.

Yeah, I know that the tenth doctor had plenty of happy ending stories, but. well, in previous seasons there always had to be a permanent sacrifice. A pretty heavy sacrifice. Or something very dark like the Cybermen where the Doctor handled them

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Or the Episodes in The Library

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Or with the pig men in Manhattan or with the Weeping Angels episode in season 3 where

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There are elements of that present in the stories in season 5, but they just feel watered down. And that's a real shame because I'm really liking The Doctor, Amy, Rory and more.

Link · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:25 pm

I guess. I think there's a lot of really dark stories in Season 5, wait until you see the Christmas Special, there's definitely emotional variation throughout the series.

Lucrious · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:09 pm

Looking at what the 6th season has in store, I have a feeling there will be some dark storylines in this series too, I am extremely excited to see what happens with the overarching storyline, especially if you've read some of the rumors or heard Moffat discuss the overall plot, this season could trump the first Smith seson, that series 6 trailer really wowed me.

And goddamn, new favorite quote "Fear me, I've killed hundreds of time lords." "Fear me, I've killed all of them" Matt Smith you brilliant actor, really excited for what he brings this season

3 things I'm excited for among others

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