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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:13 pm 
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This thread is pretty hard to take seriously but I'd still like to throw my hat into the ring here since I'm bored and my dinner tastes like cardboard.

You mentioned in your article that you don't think fighting games require skill, that it's all a rock-paper-scissor thing.
The rock-paper-scissors thing is true but only to a small extent, I mean every character has a set of tools and they generally counter something the opponent's character can do. Almost everything can be made safe under the right conditions though and you have a lot more tools than just the three, you know, the rock, the paper and the scissors.
In a scenario with two good, not just pros but mid to high-mid level opponents facing each other they'll both know that. Hell, only extreme low level players throw out moves randomly to begin with. But yeah, then what? Is it all chance after that? How ever will you win if that random flying kick you memorized how to counter never actually comes?

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How fighters can be played competitively at a professional level I'll never understand. In First Person Shooters, not only do you need to have an expert level of precision aiming and knowledge of the game, but you also have to be able to outsmart your opponents. You need to be able to predict their strategy and adapt to their tactics.


Maybe the above is what happens. Maybe it comes down to outsmarting your opponent, getting in his head, forcing mistakes and predicting what they'll do and adapting to the opponent. Maybe, just maybe there's something in there about having your execution be top notch as well, after all, dropping a combo is just as bad as failing to hit an opponent in an FPS, in both cases you'll usually pay dearly for it.
Also, execution in a fighter is not about how many times you can repeatedly throw a shoryuken or whatever without messing up. Most important combos have very few frames for you to hit the next move and you need to at all times confirm that you are in fact not getting blocked so that you can change it up or if you're applying pressure to a blocking opponent you need to have the execution and reactions to quickly go into a combo in case his shell cracks and you score a hit or even a counter hit that you baited out.

In the end though I don't really care if you don't like fighting games or that you think they suck, there's lots of things I don't like as well. It's obvious to me that you have no understanding of the real meat and bones of these kinds of games however and it's a real shame. Writing an article about something you know only at face value is unprofessional and just plain wrong. It doesn't make you unbiased, it just makes you ignorant on the subject matter.
Of course, since I play and understand fighting games I guess I'm just biased though. Oh well.

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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:24 pm 
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Dayum how did this thread get to be 5 pages? XD ...6 pages now

Anyways...I absolutely suck at fighting games, I mean I am god awful...but I love to play them so much :-D but in all honesty, I can really only play them about an hour a day due to me sucking so bad at them >.>

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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:17 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:39 pm 
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Yes having to resort to trying to discredit someones argument by insulting them and/or attempting to make them feel like shit goes to show just how weak his arguments really are.


No, it's just a by-product of my arguing when the opposite argument is stupid. If you are being stupid I bring attention to that fact because that's what it is, a fact. I don’t feel the need to be nice and show respect to someone who I don’t believe deserves it.

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I think that is why he always breaks replies up into blocks of quotes and why he can't seem to stop. He knows he's wrong (in the method of his arguing) but his own ego won't let him admit it because he needs to save face.


I break my replies up like this to make it easier for you, and to make my replies more organized. I mean with my long winded posts aren’t you kind of glad I do that?

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Its kind of like religious people trying to make atheists feel bad by saying they will go to hell or that they are immoral because they have no other method of argument.


Actually I'm more like an averagely intelligent person arguing with a non-intelligent person who happens to be in the phase of his life where he thinks he's way smarter than he is (psst, that’s you).

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He needs to learn how to properly argue. If you think someone has said something stupid, you don't call the person stupid, you call what they say stupid. Calling the person themselves stupid will just make them write of you off as a jerk and listen to nothing you say. That is assuming you really were trying to make a point and not just troll which is looking less and less likely as you continue to reply and continue to sling insults.


I do both, cover all of my bases. This is how I argue in real life as well, just that in real life people usually are not bold or stupid enough to say something as stupid as you did. In the rare occasions that it does happen I will react the same way I do here, so long as the person isn’t able to kick my ass. If he or she is (all girls are able to kick my ass because I refuse to hit them, unless the balls are at stake, then it’s anyone’s game), then I will assess whether or not they are the type of person to actually become violent. Again, this is a rare occurrence because most of my acquaintances are much smarter than you and would never make such a broad sweeping statement about anything.


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Hell, you even insulted me for spelling mistakes. There was no other reason for this than to try to make me feel stupid. It had absolutely nothing to do with the argument at hand. Perhaps you love arguing so much because you realize that you need practice at it. If that is so then I am glad that I could help you mature a bit, you obviously need it.

I thought you blocked me? I like how the first half of this paragraph you were referring to me in the third person as to make it seem like you couldn’t read what I was saying, and here you just flat out address me in first. You’re right though, that insult was meant to make you look dumb, and I’ve been open about that. It’s also something I do in real life, when someone tries to act smarter than they are, I point out that they are indeed, not very smart. I don’t like people that take themselves seriously, and when they do I like to give them a reality check. Had you not started bringing up your philosophy professors and started sprinkling a few big words in a rather poorly written replies I may not have done that. But you began to sound like you felt you were better than everyone else here so I felt it was necessary. I need no help with maturity from you, time will aid me in that regard, but for my age, I think I’m plenty mature.

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Just look how worked up you got because some guy on the internet wrote an article about why he thinks fighting games suck. You have to insult the person because you don't agree with them? Not only does it show the weakness of your beliefs but also how immature you are as a person.


Yes I did get worked up, but you have to be careful with how you use that. If you define that as me becoming angry, then you’d be wrong. It’s more of a general belief that I have an obligation to right someone who is doing wrong, in this case it was your ridiculous article. I can disagree with plenty of people without insulting them, as I have been saying I only insult those who deserve it and really you and Maximo are the only two people that I have insulted on the boards. Coincidentally, you’re also the only two people that I’ve seen make incredibly stupid arguments/threads. You’ve already called me immature and mentioned how this showcases my “weakness”, but…. aren’t those insults? Weren’t you just making blind assumptions about my life in a negative way? Stop being so hypocritical, All I did was call you dumb, and made you look stupid, which pales in comparison to what you did. The difference is that unlike you it won’t get to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:28 pm 
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you and Maximo are the only two people that I have insulted on the boards. Coincidentally, you’re also the only two people that I’ve seen make incredibly stupid arguments/threads.

My thread was not stupid and my arguments actually kicked ass. I made a stupid video about how I think it's silly that some people over the internet get all defensive and flame each other over what friggin video game system they prefer, that is all. I didn't want to argue because it was a plain and simple fact. I think the console wars are stupid and people should grow up. stop using me as an example of someone that had a stupid argument/thread because the way i see it, both of our arguments were pretty good and if anything you made yourself look like a jackass. With the stance that I took by making the video and stating that the console wars are stupid, it's really not something that warrants pages and pages of arguments and of course let's not forget, your famous posts.

so really if you think about it, I gave out my opinion and you bitched me out for it, and even as I tried to explain to you why I will always stick to my guns when I say that the console wars are gay fuck stupid, you still write and say that my arguments are dumb, even though I backed them up with very good reasons where as you just focused on trying to debunk everything I said and the only way you could is by once again, going for these petty insults. I will say that your arguments in this thread are pretty good and Xander, you should have really should have just called it "why I dislike fighting games' or something....

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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:31 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:32 pm 
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The way I see it, you're both making jackasses out of yourselves.
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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:39 pm 
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I agree with the two before me.

Seriously, this is getting sad. What are you going to accomplish by arguing over opinion in such a serious matter?

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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:42 pm 
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Meh i'm over it, maximo is about ready to re-awaken his old thread, and i'm not really enjoying myself anymore. Bored. Done.

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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
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Meh i'm over it, maximo is about ready to re-awaken his old thread, and i'm not really enjoying myself anymore. Bored. Done.

thanks for the nickname?......

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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
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I vote Prime changes his name to Maximo.

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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
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I vote Prime changes his name to Maximo.


Seconded :-D

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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
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funny cuz that was actually my nickname in Spanish class.

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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
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I don't see why. Now, if one of us resorted to some more petty name calling, like calling him gay, fat, a 'very nice gay man', a 'very nice gay man', a 'I like ponies!', 'I like ponies!', jew, 'I like ponies!', or 'I like ponies!', then yeah, maybe then.

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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
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I don't see why. Now, if one of us resorted to some more petty name calling, like calling him gay, fat, a 'very nice gay man', a 'very nice gay man', a 'I like ponies!', 'I like ponies!', jew, 'I like ponies!', or 'I like ponies!', then yeah, maybe then.



PG clearly likes ponies.

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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
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They're okay, I guess. Jews, too!

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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
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that's it? xander isn't going to come and get the last word in? that douche monkey sugar gene is done with this thread???

I keed, I keed.

I'm kind of amazed it was allowed to go on as long as it did, and it still is going lol...

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 Post subject: Re: Why fighting games suck
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for serious yall, my GGPO handle is extrabastardformula

Xander, SugarGene, PG, Olly; if you use the ggpo post yr handle uih. and we can discuss this like gentlemen

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