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 Post subject: Issue 60: Reboots
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You guys answered my question just fine. When I said event I meant the larger ones that affect their respective universes in some way (52 and Dark Reign are two of my favorites too). I'm sorry that I kind of threw off that last round of worst person ever. The brackets weren't filled yet at the time and no one mentioned anything so when I saw that episode of Atop the Fourth Wall of Silent Hill I just threw the names in because I couldn't think of anyone else that hadn't been mentioned... Although since then I could add a couple but no point now.

I ended up seeing First Class tonight because my girlfriend and some other friends wanted to go. I'll admit, its good. Its really good. Continuity gets thrown out the window, but that doesn't matter when you realize the story told is a really good X-Men story that stays more true to the nature of the characters used; which at the end of the day is all I could ever ask for (aside from being good of course). I will say its hype might be greater than what it really delivers given that I've seen several places claim its the next Dark Knight. Its not. But it doesn't have to be. If I was to compare it to anything its more along the lines of Iron Man in its entertainment value. I will say that I would like to see a series spun out of this film; but I'm not sure exactly what I'd want to see come next to be honest.

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Obviously if there is to be a sequel there's a set up already for the school to expand and the Brotherhood to start up. But being a movie about a team raises the problem of introducing more characters and building on the established ones; and there's already a lot of mutants being used here.

I also will say that I loved the Wolverine cameo. Its was the perfect way to establish that he's around and that he's still Hugh Jackman. The Mystique thing was random, but cool I guess.


While not really a spoiler, for those who haven't seen First Class yet, you can leave when the credits start. There's no post credits scene for once in a Marvel movie.

While on the subject of the whole DC thing, I've said it in the other topics but I'm kind of cool with it at this point. I know some things are bound to bug me (most likely everything happening to Superman) but for the most part I don't see anything too negative happening to the characters I currently follow. All four GL's are making it through the relaunch: Hal in GL, Kyle in a multi corp book and Guy and John in GL Corps. The only shame in that is that John is probably going to take a backseat to Guy. The dude needs something to do badly. I'm cool with Dick going back to Nightwing (if it is going to be Dick Grayson as Nightwing) and the new Justice League book sounds awesome. I will miss stuff like Secret Six and Titans (I'm probably the only person here reading that one), but I'm sure something else will come along.

Finally, while the "Hitler is mad about ____" meme has gotten old, that one got a really good laugh out of me on the line about giving Jonah Hex a cape XD

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 Post subject: Re: Issue 60: Reboot
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I haven't started listening to it but I freaking love you guys for this topic. <3

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I haven't started listening to it but I freaking love you guys for this topic. <3


It's not about the cartoon. The title should've been plural or something so as not to be misleading. You can have your love back.

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I haven't started listening to it but I freaking love you guys for this topic. <3


It's not about the cartoon. The title should've been plural or something so as not to be misleading. You can have your love back.

Oh, Link, you're breaking my heart. :-(

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 Post subject: Re: Issue 60: Reboot
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DON'T CALL IT A REBOOT! I mean, I don't give a shit what you call it. That's just what Bob Wayne says. I read an interesting theory that this isn't a reboot of the entire line but rather an alternate DC reality and things will eventually be restored to the current universe.

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 Post subject: Re: Issue 60: Reboot
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DON'T CALL IT A REBOOT! I mean, I don't give a shit what you call it. That's just what Bob Wayne says. I read an interesting theory that this isn't a reboot of the entire line but rather an alternate DC reality and things will eventually be restored to the current universe.


At this point, I'm not sure if what they are trying to do is a weird cross of a Heroes Reborn/Age of Apocalypse type thing mixed in with a One More Day on the entire universe. There just isn't enough to go on at this point, but whatever they got planned is big and effecting everyone, so they are hopeful enough seemingly to put everything on the line right now.

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I haven't started listening to it but I freaking love you guys for this topic. <3


It's not about the cartoon. The title should've been plural or something so as not to be misleading. You can have your love back.


*Fixed* So nobody else gets their hearts broken.

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 Post subject: Re: Issue 60: Reboot
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DON'T CALL IT A REBOOT! I mean, I don't give a shit what you call it. That's just what Bob Wayne says. I read an interesting theory that this isn't a reboot of the entire line but rather an alternate DC reality and things will eventually be restored to the current universe.


That's sort of what I was expecting. I mentioned it somewhere, that the camera was just shifting from one universe to another, and that the old universe would still exist and be intact somewhere.

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Link wrote:
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DON'T CALL IT A REBOOT! I mean, I don't give a shit what you call it. That's just what Bob Wayne says. I read an interesting theory that this isn't a reboot of the entire line but rather an alternate DC reality and things will eventually be restored to the current universe.


That's sort of what I was expecting. I mentioned it somewhere, that the camera was just shifting from one universe to another, and that the old universe would still exist and be intact somewhere.

*puts on nerd cap*

If this is to happen, then DC is going to have to change their entire concept of multiple worlds and time travel. Their idea of time travel is that when something is changed, it's changed. No new timeline or anything. The multiple worlds just pop into existence somehow. Marvel goes with the branching timeline theory (and my personal favorite), which means that an event that affects the entire timeline must either change to Marvel rules to get things back to normal.

Or, there could be another time traveler. Those who exist outside of time, as already established, aren't affected by time changing unless it has a direct affect on them.

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 Post subject: Re: Issue 60: Reboot
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Their idea of time travel is that when something is changed, it's changed. No new timeline or anything. The multiple worlds just pop into existence somehow. Marvel goes with the branching timeline theory (and my personal favorite), which means that an event that affects the entire timeline must either change to Marvel rules to get things back to normal.


Well... Flashpoint is already a changed timeline. The current timeline has been entirely rewritten by that other flash villainy guy, right? Or at least that's what we're led to believe, and Flash has to somehow magically fix everything?

Chances are, whatever the end result is, will probably permit this universe to exist.

That being said, I'm not talking about branching timelines. I'm talking about the new line of DC stuff is one of the already available multiverses (unless they labeled all 52 different multiverses already.) Doesn't Gotham by Gaslight and Red Son still exist out there somewhere? I'm not the biggest DC nerd, but... I assumed that was the case, unless Countdown and all that shit changed it.

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 Post subject: Re: Issue 60: Reboot
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Their idea of time travel is that when something is changed, it's changed. No new timeline or anything. The multiple worlds just pop into existence somehow. Marvel goes with the branching timeline theory (and my personal favorite), which means that an event that affects the entire timeline must either change to Marvel rules to get things back to normal.


Well... Flashpoint is already a changed timeline. The current timeline has been entirely rewritten by that other flash villainy guy, right? Or at least that's what we're led to believe, and Flash has to somehow magically fix everything?

Chances are, whatever the end result is, will probably permit this universe to exist.

That being said, I'm not talking about branching timelines. I'm talking about the new line of DC stuff is one of the already available multiverses (unless they labeled all 52 different multiverses already.) Doesn't Gotham by Gaslight and Red Son still exist out there somewhere? I'm not the biggest DC nerd, but... I assumed that was the case, unless Countdown and all that shit changed it.


The Flashpoint universe has to be real in some sense because Booster Gold is critically involved with all the things that were written on his black board. This is a major time space continuum story line if Booster is involved.

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 Post subject: Re: Issue 60: Reboots
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nickmarino wrote:
DON'T CALL IT A REBOOT! I mean, I don't give a shit what you call it. That's just what Bob Wayne says. I read an interesting theory that this isn't a reboot of the entire line but rather an alternate DC reality and things will eventually be restored to the current universe.


That's sort of what I was expecting. I mentioned it somewhere, that the camera was just shifting from one universe to another, and that the old universe would still exist and be intact somewhere.

*puts on nerd cap*

If this is to happen, then DC is going to have to change their entire concept of multiple worlds and time travel. Their idea of time travel is that when something is changed, it's changed. No new timeline or anything. The multiple worlds just pop into existence somehow. Marvel goes with the branching timeline theory (and my personal favorite), which means that an event that affects the entire timeline must either change to Marvel rules to get things back to normal.

Or, there could be another time traveler. Those who exist outside of time, as already established, aren't affected by time changing unless it has a direct affect on them.


maybe this is the new Earth-2???

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EDIT 2: I LOOOVVED Civil War when it was coming out. That was like comic book crack for me. I re-read #1 about a year ago. It held up surprisingly well. But everything since then has been kinda meh for me. I agree that Planet Hulk was incredible, but WWH wasn't for me. I really dug the Initiative, although I think that's more of an era/banner rather than an event.

I can't think of other recent events I really really liked. House of M was solid, but not on my top events list. Looking back ten or more years, I loved Eve of Destruction (overlooked X-Men event from 2001 (pre-Morrison)). X-Cutioner's Song from the 90s is pretty sweet. Oh and I can't forget Infinity Gauntlet and Infinity War. AMAZING!!! Probably the best crossovers ever, save for Civil War which is just too different to compare.

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 Post subject: Re: Issue 60: Reboot
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That being said, I'm not talking about branching timelines. I'm talking about the new line of DC stuff is one of the already available multiverses (unless they labeled all 52 different multiverses already.) Doesn't Gotham by Gaslight and Red Son still exist out there somewhere? I'm not the biggest DC nerd, but... I assumed that was the case, unless Countdown and all that shit changed it.[/color]


My understanding is that many of the Elseworlds stories now exist on one of the 52 universes.

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That being said, I'm not talking about branching timelines. I'm talking about the new line of DC stuff is one of the already available multiverses (unless they labeled all 52 different multiverses already.) Doesn't Gotham by Gaslight and Red Son still exist out there somewhere? I'm not the biggest DC nerd, but... I assumed that was the case, unless Countdown and all that shit changed it.[/color]


My understanding is that many of the Elseworlds stories now exist on one of the 52 universes.


I was under the same assumption. Since 52, as far as I'm aware they've rarely used the other 51 universes aside from Earth Prime with Superboy Prime in Adventure Comics and Earth-3 with the Crime Syndicate recently in JLA. Even taking that into account that leaves 49 other universes. Now my guess is that if this "relaunch" doesn't pan out the way they want we might end up seeing one of the other earths remaining much like the current Earth-1 and a crossover event much like Crisis on Infinite Earth's play out again.

The thing with Booster Gold and time travel that's confused me at times is that sometimes they tend to pick and choose how solidified time works. Up to now we've been told that time has to play out the way it happens and you can't go back and make changes; the best recent examples were that Barbara Gordon had to get shot by the Joker and Ted Kord had to die. Yet Booster was able to go back and go on adventures with Ted off planet; thus altering history not just for Ted, but also for the people they interact with that they wouldn't have originally. There's also the fact that Booster himself is a disruption in time simple for being in the 21st century, and going by how they brought back his sister, anyone from the future can't really stay dead because they can get pulled from a time in the future before they die in the present/past.

My guess is that whatever Eobard Thawne (The Reverse Flash) did screwed up the timeline so bad that there's no way to get it back together 100% exactly the way it was... Which now that I think of it leaves another backdoor for things to go back to "normal" with a Booster Gold event.

But that's pretty much all speculation seeing as how Flashpoint only just started.

SIDE NOTE: Am I alone in thinking that this whole relaunch feels like an attempt to start a new "Age" in comics? If so what would we call the past 26 years? Or would this just be a post-modern age? Not saying that will happen, just a "what if" thought.

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SIDE NOTE: Am I alone in thinking that this whole relaunch feels like an attempt to start a new "Age" in comics? If so what would we call the past 26 years? Or would this just be a post-modern age? Not saying that will happen, just a "what if" thought.


I thought the age we were currently in was the bronze age, so maybe the next one would be the iron age, steel age, copper age?

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SIDE NOTE: Am I alone in thinking that this whole relaunch feels like an attempt to start a new "Age" in comics? If so what would we call the past 26 years? Or would this just be a post-modern age? Not saying that will happen, just a "what if" thought.


I thought the age we were currently in was the bronze age, so maybe the next one would be the iron age, steel age, copper age?


According to the all mighty internet *cough*wikipedia*cough*, the bronze age ended in '85 and since then this era has been referred to as everything from the Copper, Iron and Dark Age (because of the books like Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen). But generally its just called the Modern Age. Given the fact that its gone on about 10 years longer than the previous eras it just seems like maybe it might be time for a new one.

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Marvel already dubbed it the Heroic Age.

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SIDE NOTE: Am I alone in thinking that this whole relaunch feels like an attempt to start a new "Age" in comics? If so what would we call the past 26 years? Or would this just be a post-modern age? Not saying that will happen, just a "what if" thought.


I thought the age we were currently in was the bronze age, so maybe the next one would be the iron age, steel age, copper age?


According to the all mighty internet *cough*wikipedia*cough*, the bronze age ended in '85 and since then this era has been referred to as everything from the Copper, Iron and Dark Age (because of the books like Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen). But generally its just called the Modern Age. Given the fact that its gone on about 10 years longer than the previous eras it just seems like maybe it might be time for a new one.


Ok so if we're in the the copper/iron age/dark age already, and seeing brightest day just happened, we are in the bright/light age lol.

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