Gay Marriage/Proposition 8

Link · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:10 pm

So... how 'bout that proposition 8?

Ralphanate · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:16 pm

There was a weird proposition down here to input a same sex ban in the local constitution of Arizona. And it failed. I am glad because they way they were running ads against it made it seem that Arizona was filled with gay bashers. Which it isn't...it is full of white supremacist (The fact that there is a high concentration of white supremacist in Arizona is a true and documented fact).

Shady-Lurker · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:16 pm

When I was hearing about this I thought it involved the countries constitution, not just the one states. When I went to vote I kept wondering, "Where the hell is prop 8?".
Oh well, pretty sad that it passed. Even sadder that apparently a huge portion of the votes in favor of it were from minorites who you'd think would be against descrimination. (if that came out sounding racist or whatever, I didn't intend it to)

Link · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:19 pm

TriforceCaptre wrote:

Even sadder that apparently a huge portion of the votes in favor of it were from minorites who you'd think would be against descrimination.

Depending on cultures some people have VERY strong convictions about this sort of shit.

Example: People in Jamaica pretty much murder gay people.

Superman64 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:43 pm

This reminds me a of a video that the GameJew recently put up on his channel on YouTube. He talked to people protesting and wanting Prop 8 passed. Here's the link for anyone interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDgZjtTU5bc

Iceland · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:33 pm

This is so sad in my opinion. Too me it feels like it's like they decided to reinstate slavery.

Rusty · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:40 pm

That sucks. Prop 8 seems to really limit the personal freedom of alot of people.

JasperValentine91 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:47 pm

What's the full description of Prop 8, because I seem to missing something, because all I know about it is that it bans same sex marriages, but i think im missing something.

nerdlinger · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:58 pm

Proposition 8 was an initiative state constitutional amendment on the 2008 California General Election ballot, titled Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry. If passed, the proposition will "change the California Constitution to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry in California." A new section would be added stating "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

Also I hope the absintee ballots keep it from passing.

Ralphanate · **Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:19 am

Here is the current news on how 3 states have passed the ban. It makes me ashamed to be living in a Red state.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/politics/06marriage.html?ref=us

nerdlinger · **Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:28 am

I feel bad for the US
They proclaim freedom for all
but then remove freedoms from those they do not like

Seems kinda like the Jim crow Laws for Gay people. (no offense to african americans who I know had a long hard battle for their freedoms to vote and all that, but still it seems more like a good analogy than anything)

Ralphanate · **Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:36 am

The fact is that they are Jim Crowe-like laws for same sex couples.

Down here in Arizona we now have a denial of human rights and a ban on same sex couples.

Like I said it makes me sick to be in a red state that can't respect anyone's natural rights as human beings.

nosebleed · **Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:30 am

I really don't understand why this is a big issue. Can anyone who opposes gay marriage tell me? In what aspect does gay marriage impose on your personal freedoms?

nerdlinger · **Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:05 am

nosebleed wrote:

I really don't understand why this is a big issue. Can anyone who opposes gay marriage tell me? In what aspect does gay marriage impose on your personal freedoms?

While I agree that gay marriage should be legal anywhere
the problem lies in the fact that people feel that it will impose upon their religious beliefs
(Marriage is sacred blah blah blah) and feel that by allowing gay marriage they are turning something holy into something carnal

0Mrk0 · **Joined:** Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:32 am **Posts:** 26

(This is a touche subject, and I hope my views, and they way I post them today doesn't offend any one)
Prop. 8 is more of a vote to redefine a word, than anything else.

Taken from http://protectmarriage.com:

Quote:

Proposition 8 is NOT an attack on gay couples and does not take away the rights that same-sex couples already have under California’s domestic partner law. California law already grants domestic partners all the rights that a state can grant to a married couple. Gays have a right to their private lives, but not to change the definition of marriage for everyone else.

My feeling on the topic is that Marriage is a religious bond between a man and a woman. Most religions forbid same sex marriages. Marriage though is not just a religious in out nation and states. We give tax breaks to those who pledge there life's together, and give those special partners the legal power to take care of there love one in times of need.

In Cal. these added perks are not being taken away for same sex partners. I'm glad that our friends in same sex relationships aren't loosing any of there right.

It may seem silly, but this amendment is just a redefined definition for marriage for the state of Cal.

nerdlinger · **Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:30 am

but marriage is only between a man or woman in the monotheistic religions of modern day
Buddhist marriages and shinto religions both accept gay marriage
Pagan religions accept gay marriage
Jews, Christians and muslims do not accept gay marriage
most tribal religions don't really have marriage like we know it

nosebleed · **Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:52 am

If we're supposed to be a secular nation why do we allow religious beliefs to interfere with people's lives? It's unconstitutional and un-American.

You don't have to get married through a church, synagogue, or any other religious institution, hell if I live with my girlfriend for another 6 years I can be married to her through common law! So why does this anti-gay marriage agenda exist? Politicians need to set aside their religious beliefs and do what's best for the party in question.

0Mrk0 · **Joined:** Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:32 am **Posts:** 26

nosebleed wrote:

If we're supposed to be a secular nation why do we allow religious beliefs to interfere with people's lives? It's unconstitutional and un-American.

You don't have to get married through a church, synagogue, or any other religious institution, hell if I live with my girlfriend for another 6 years I can be married to her through common law! So why does this anti-gay marriage agenda exist? Politicians need to set aside their religious beliefs and do what's best for the party in question.

That is very true, and part of the point. Why dose the nation do anything when we get married? (also common law isn't viewed by all states). My point of view, and the view of 52% of Cal is that Marriage is definded as just the union of a man and woman.

Just a note on your first line. Our nation has worked long and hard to allow our people to keep our religions the way we practice them. When I read your first line, I see that you would rather have a nation of no religion, and that dose sadden me. I deeply hope that was not your intention. (But this ties into my point why dose the government do anything for married couples, but that almost another debate in its self.)

nerdlinger · **Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:16 am

actually the whole idea of man must not lay with another man stems from during those days men would die early and in order to keep the population number up, homosexuality was outlawed. Ghengis Khan had a similar law during the time of him rockin out

the law is antiquated and bogus.

nerdlinger · **Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:20 am

0Mrk0 wrote:

nosebleed wrote:

If we're supposed to be a secular nation why do we allow religious beliefs to interfere with people's lives? It's unconstitutional and un-American.

You don't have to get married through a church, synagogue, or any other religious institution, hell if I live with my girlfriend for another 6 years I can be married to her through common law! So why does this anti-gay marriage agenda exist? Politicians need to set aside their religious beliefs and do what's best for the party in question.

That is very true, and part of the point. Why dose the nation do anything when we get married? (also common law isn't viewed by all states). My point of view, and the view of 52% of Cal is that Marriage is definded as just the union of a man and woman.

Just a note on your first line. Our nation has worked long and hard to allow our people to keep our religions the way we practice them. When I read your first line, I see that you would rather have a nation of no religion, and that dose sadden me. I deeply hope that was not your intention. (But this ties into my point why dose the government do anything for married couples, but that almost another debate in its self.)

Edit: the constitution does say is that congress may not pass laws that prohibit or enable any religion.

as supporting a man/woman as being what is a married couple, and congress supporting it, they are enabling a religion and hence going against the constitution, which is why marriage should be for any human couple or grouping (within limits of course). This is just christians getting their way, because in reality, congress shoulda not passed any law condemning homosexuality on this religious view point, because well it is a religious viewpoint.

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