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 Post subject: Re: History in Other Countries
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:47 pm 
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When I was doing history we learned about the build up to WW2, Establishment of the German Empire, British politics in the 19th century.

In fact many things that are taught in the Americas barley get a foot note here. For example the War of 1812, where the yanks got big headed and tried to invade canada and were beaten by Colonial Millitias and the British Army, and while we did win the conflict there was also something that overshadowed it for us.

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However I think the American civil war gets a mention in history classes since there was a whole controversy over the Union capturing British ships or something to detain Confederate officers.

We also learn a bit about the Empire, a bit about Itallian unification (Seriously Garibaldi started off his conquest well mainly due to the British presence in the med, since the Sicillian forces saw Red coats and imediatly though they were British Marines, and this was the time where Britain was the world power.)


It also depends on where you go to school though since there are many different courses in the SQA history section, one of which being the American west as well as the more local history of the Jacobite Rebellions of 1745, and of course we can't forget about WW1. From trench warfare right up to German piracy.

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 Post subject: Re: History in Other Countries
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For example the War of 1812, where the yanks got big headed and tried to invade canada and were beaten by Colonial Millitias and the British Army.


My history teacher put it the best. There were some notes from a diary from an American soldier that he had copies of that essentially noted how the British forces used militias and native support to battle the Americans. The funny this is that it essentially said this "The British and their Indians do not understand the concept of a battle. Instead of standing in a group in lines like you are suposed to do, they hide in trees and behind objects and shoot at us. Thats not a real battle! Thats childish! If we loose this battle it will not because they won, because they are not fighing the way youre suposed to fight."

He couldnt get over the concept of people not wanting to stand in the line of fire and blindly get shots off before getting shot themselves. That actual military tactics were being used.

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For example the War of 1812, where the yanks got big headed and tried to invade canada and were beaten by Colonial Millitias and the British Army.


My history teacher put it the best. There were some notes from a diary from an American soldier that he had copies of that essentially noted how the British forces used militias and native support to battle the Americans. The funny this is that it essentially said this "The British and their Indians do not understand the concept of a battle. Instead of standing in a group in lines like you are suposed to do, they hide in trees and behind objects and shoot at us. Thats not a real battle! Thats childish! If we loose this battle it will not because they won, because they are not fighing the way youre suposed to fight."

He couldnt get over the concept of people not wanting to stand in the line of fire and blindly get shots off before getting shot themselves. That actual military tactics were being used.

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We also burned down the white house :-D

But as it stands it barley get a mention over here. Which is odd since we burned down the fucking white house! Can any other nation in history attest to doing something that badass on American soil? But as I said victory over the Americans was paled by victory over the French tyrant who plunged Europe into 25 years of war

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The Winter War is pretty remembered here, and there's some animosity towards russians and especially russian immigrants here. It's more pronounced with the older generations than the youth, but the war years will still start a fight if not treated with discretion.

I didn't know much about the revolutionary war of america untill I saw that HBO miniseries about John Adams.


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We also burned down the white house :-D

But as it stands it barley get a mention over here. Which is odd since we burned down the fucking white house! Can any other nation in history attest to doing something that badass on American soil? But as I said victory over the Americans was paled by victory over the French tyrant who plunged Europe into 25 years of war


I'll give you that. Burning down the White House was a pretty badass accomplishment.

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when talking about America's short coming with how we treated the native americans, i always think about that, because as a new country starting out would america be where it is today or anything if we didnt forcibly take over? Honestly it was always in the agenda to have complete control so why not instead of false treaties just take over, it sounds horrible but thats the way the world works, there can be always no peaceful negotiation when it comes to conquest :err:

i dunno i could just be rambling

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when talking about America's short coming with how we treated the native americans, i always think about that, because as a new country starting out would america be where it is today or anything if we didnt forcibly take over? Honestly it was always in the agenda to have complete control so why not instead of false treaties just take over, it sounds horrible but thats the way the world works, there can be always no peaceful negotiation when it comes to conquest :err:

i dunno i could just be rambling


It's kind of pointless to choose between the lesser of two evils, but at least the American abuses of Native Americans does not hold a candle to the atrocities committed by the Spanish and Portuguese during their Pope mandated conquests.

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...Same with Germany and WWII...


We discussed WWII very intensivly in school. The teachings mainly focused on how Hitler got the people to support him and how he tried to hide the genocide of the Jews. It is indeed a dark chapter in the history of Germany but hey, we moved on. We look back at it and try to learn from our mistakes. Also facism isnt welcome here in Germany, where I live most people would beat up a Nazi if they see one. Also to every demonstration of Nazis there is always an Antifacist demonstration next to it. Problem is that most of those end in violence, not against the Nazis but mainly against the police which is a shame considering that they think their better than the Nazis. I dislike both, the right extremists as well as the left extremists. I have also met Nazis who have friends that are not German and cant even speak German without an accent. But to be honest I'd rather join the left winged people than the right winged.

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...Same with Germany and WWII...


We discussed WWII very intensivly in school. The teachings mainly focused on how Hitler got the people to support him and how he tried to hide the genocide of the Jews. It is indeed a dark chapter in the history of Germany but hey, we moved on. We look back at it and try to learn from our mistakes. Also facism isnt welcome here in Germany, where I live most people would beat up a Nazi if they see one. Also to every demonstration of Nazis there is always an Antifacist demonstration next to it. Problem is that most of those end in violence, not against the Nazis but mainly against the police which is a shame considering that they think their better than the Nazis. I dislike both, the right extremists as well as the left extremists. I have also met Nazis who have friends that are not German and cant even speak German without an accent. But to be honest I'd rather join the left winged people than the right winged.


Neo-nazis make me lol.

The Nazi party was about German nationalism and returning to the pre WWI world power that is once was...and not about senselsess racism.

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