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 Post subject: Re: Abortion: The Mother of All Serious Topics (NO FLAMING)
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This is a topic that I never touch on and I won't elaborate on my feelings. I'll simply say that I am against the ACT of abortion but I also do not think the government should have any say on what choices a woman makes in this instance.

No matter what side you take, no matter how bad the act of abortion is, I feel that it is much better for a doctor to perform the act than the do-it-yourself alternatives.

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This is a topic that I never touch on and I won't elaborate on my feelings. I'll simply say that I am against the ACT of abortion but I also do not think the government should have any say on what choices a woman makes in this instance.

No matter what side you take, no matter how bad the act of abortion is, I feel that it is much better for a doctor to perform the act than the do-it-yourself alternatives.

yeah, you bring up the other aspect about the government outlawing abortion...you do that, people will still find alternative methods that will most likely lead to unsanitary conditions...

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This is a topic that I never touch on and I won't elaborate on my feelings. I'll simply say that I am against the ACT of abortion but I also do not think the government should have any say on what choices a woman makes in this instance.

No matter what side you take, no matter how bad the act of abortion is, I feel that it is much better for a doctor to perform the act than the do-it-yourself alternatives.

yeah, you bring up the other aspect about the government outlawing abortion...you do that, people will still find alternative methods that will most likely lead to unsanitary conditions...


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link was right, i am definitely going to weigh in on this, seeing as i am interning at a planned parenthood. i'm gonna try to make this as short as possible, but here goes:

i'm all for abortion. very pro-choice. its debatable whether or not the guy should have a say in the matter-yes, i think his opinion should be considered, i dont' think he should have the final decision, and one of the problems i'm having at work is the ppl who aren't telling their partners.

those that are against abortion, i understand your reasons. however, i have seen the women that are getting these procedures, and they all have extremely valid reasons. should some of them have made better choices? sure, a few. but then there are the ones that this was that accident child, and they are in no position to be a parent. the decision is hard enough for them, and it seems to me that this decision gets even harder when they choose adoption. i DO however have a problem with the protesters that don't know what the heck they are talking about. we obviously have a bunch outside of our clinic. their posters are either photoshopped, or show things that just....aren't true. like, an almost completely fully developed fetus, and claiming its a 14 week old fetus. wtf? or like, pictures of partial-birth abortions, which are SOOOO illegal in our country. sorry folks, no, planned parenthood doesn't kill babies. your posters lie

anyone who thinks that abortion is a method of EC or regular birth control is completely off their rocker. this is an invasive, possibly painful procedure. i've watched enough of them to know that this is no picnic for these women, and it has scared me enough to NEVER want one for myself! after seeing the situations of the women coming in to get this procedure, i can understand why so many women were willing to get unsafe abortions in the 60s and early 70s. so ultimately, why not talk about that time period if we are going to talk about whether abortion should be legal or not? as with all things, it is going to happen whether it is legal or not. so do we want to keep providing safe, regulated abortions, or do we want to run the risk of having scary people performing these medical procedures?

no matter your thinking, i just feel as if it is preposterous to even contemplate taking away this choice. whether or not you would want one for yourself, or for your significant other, or if you would want the other women in your life to have one, they should still have that CHOICE

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I feel that the only way abortion is acceptable is if the woman is raped.
other then that, no go. We know the risks of having sex... you gotta take responsibility for your actions. If you dont want the kid... put it up for adoption. There are plenty other people who would love to have him/her.


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Letting a child suffer through bad parenting, poverty and a very unstable environment isn't worth it IMO.

Plus not all people are meant to be parents (as evidenced by most of the people getting pregnant because they "forgot" protection).

It should never be something taken lightly though; no matter your view on it all there's no guarantee on how you'll react.

I must say though that I find anti-abortion radicals killing doctors to be horrible, repugnant... and incredibly ironic.

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In the US, the Constitution give us the right to life. This is why I'm also against capital punishment.


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I feel that the only way abortion is acceptable is if the woman is raped.
other then that, no go. We know the risks of having sex... you gotta take responsibility for your actions. If you dont want the kid... put it up for adoption. There are plenty other people who would love to have him/her.


I don't think these women want to go through pregnancy.

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In the US, the Constitution give us the right to life. This is why I'm also against capital punishment.


Are zygots' rights covered by the US Constitution? I mean, really, we're still busy trying to argue/figure out specifically when it becomes 'wrong' and becomes 'murder' or whatever.

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In the US, the Constitution give us the right to life. This is why I'm also against capital punishment.


Are zygots' rights covered by the US Constitution? I mean, really, we're still busy trying to argue/figure out specifically when it becomes 'wrong' and becomes 'murder' or whatever.


How can you say that scrambling a fertilized egg into a million pieces and sucking it out and scrambling a fetus and sucking it out are different? Life is still lost whether it is in it's early stages or not. Even if it is just the possibility of life, by the time the woman finds out she is pregnant the process of life has already begun.

Ask yourself this. Would you feel guilty and remorseful if you performed the procedure on a first trimester woman?

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I meant in that 'legal' way not in the idea of it having the potential to become a life, it also has the potential to be a miscarriage at that point too, y'know?

PS. Did you really want to use the term 'scrambling' and 'egg' in the same sentence? haha.

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I meant in that 'legal' way not in the idea of it having the potential to become a life, it also has the potential to be a miscarriage at that point too, y'know?

PS. Did you really want to use the term 'scrambling' and 'egg' in the same sentence? haha.


Well, potential for life is something I think needs to be protected. Are you saying that we shouldn't preserve the glaciers because there is only potential for the life of a polar bear to live on it for a period of time even though it could never be touched?

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I used to be pro-choice but after having my daughter recently, now I'm pro-life.

I will concede though, that certain times it may be necessary to end a pregnancy (ectopic, incestuous rape, etc).

Once I felt my child move and heard the heartbeat and saw the ultrasound pics, it changed my entire view on certain things.

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I meant in that 'legal' way not in the idea of it having the potential to become a life, it also has the potential to be a miscarriage at that point too, y'know?

PS. Did you really want to use the term 'scrambling' and 'egg' in the same sentence? haha.


Well, potential for life is something I think needs to be protected. Are you saying that we shouldn't preserve the glaciers because there is only potential for the life of a polar bear to live on it for a period of time even though it could never be touched?

PS. Yes. I did. :leak:

This actually brings up a pretty interesting point; what can we classify as potential life? Theoretically every sperm and egg has the potential for life so if we are going really hardcore with this, we should try to make every sperm and egg count. i.e spend as much time of our fertile life as possible trying to make babies. Needless to say that would be less than convinient.

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I meant in that 'legal' way not in the idea of it having the potential to become a life, it also has the potential to be a miscarriage at that point too, y'know?

PS. Did you really want to use the term 'scrambling' and 'egg' in the same sentence? haha.


Well, potential for life is something I think needs to be protected. Are you saying that we shouldn't preserve the glaciers because there is only potential for the life of a polar bear to live on it for a period of time even though it could never be touched?

PS. Yes. I did. :leak:

This actually brings up a pretty interesting point; what can we classify as potential life? Theoretically every sperm and egg has the potential for life so if we are going really hardcore with this, we should try to make every sperm and egg count. i.e spend as much time of our fertile life as possible trying to make babies. Needless to say that would be less than convinient.


Once the egg is fertilized there is potential life seeing as sperm and eggs alone can't produce life independently.

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In the US, the Constitution give us the right to life. This is why I'm also against capital punishment.


Are zygots' rights covered by the US Constitution? I mean, really, we're still busy trying to argue/figure out specifically when it becomes 'wrong' and becomes 'murder' or whatever.

True dat. I say that you're covered by conception, but not fertilization as you can still get flushed out naturally. But that's just me.


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This actually brings up a pretty interesting point; what can we classify as potential life? Theoretically every sperm and egg has the potential for life so if we are going really hardcore with this, we should try to make every sperm and egg count. i.e spend as much time of our fertile life as possible trying to make babies. Needless to say that would be less than convinient.


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when inside the conception period does that zygote become a baby
According to certain religions, the fetus has a soul but at which point does the fetus gain this?

When is the period of time when the fetus is human?

No one can really say, a lot people could argue that until it is out of the mother's womb it is not human, as it is unable to live in the human-habitat world, its more of a symbiote than a human when its in the mothers womb.

Can we actually choose the exact moment the fetus becomes a baby? No, there is no defining moment during conception that the fetus is a human.

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