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 Post subject: Re: Your feelings on Gay Marriage
PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:02 pm 
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I think gay marriage should be legal every where but there are still people out there that is afraid of it or thinks it plain wrong. I am not sure why these people feel that way but we should respects their feelings towards the gay community. Eventually they will come around making it easier for the governments of the world to pass laws making gay marriage legal.


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They should be able to marry, they are the same as everyone else. Also one of the main reasons for people saying Gays cannot be married is because it goes against a religion, but are not religion and state suppose to be separate? Thats the really the only argument I've heard as of late. So I believe this argument should count for nothing if used to show gays should not be married, for the obvious reason of religion and state are suppose to be separate. Others may say its immoral, but Morals change over time, and many are just opinions. For example one's moral may be to always help strangers, while another may be to avoid strangers as a safety precaution. The other argument that I here rarely is that Gay cannot bear children, although this is true, there are many children that have no parents and would love to be cared for by anyone. People are normally against this due to the common belief that if they are raised by a gay couple that child in question would become gay in nature. This however in my opinion seems untrue as I know of a lesbian couple who have raised two straight kids, many more have probably raised straight kids as well, also many straight couples have raised Gay children.

With giving them the rights to Marry, this will be a great step in allowing them to be more accepted into society, which in return will have more people feeling comfortable to come out to their parents without fear of being disowned or abandoned. Many people whom are also "in the closet" have a fear of being killed or abandoned by the ones they care about most, due to something they cannot control.


This is my two cents, and sorry but I only read a little of the first page, so I may have restated many of the ideas in this.

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As long as a gay dude doesn't grab my ass or make out in front of my kids (Men or Women), then I'm fine with their gayness.


In no way attacking your opinion here but just out of curiosity: why don't you want your kids to see gay people making out when straight people are ok?

It would be hard to explain to a 5 year old, but I don't want straight people making out around my kids either. I actually make them cover their eyes when kissing scenes are on tv, like even on Pirates of the Caribbean, I prefer they think all kissing is gross except like a bed time peck on the cheek for myself and my wife. I'm very protective of my girls, I seriously don't have anything against gay folks, my sister in law is actually gay, like I said, as long as a dude doesn't try anything in a flirty sexual way I'm cool with it. I've had friends who are gay before and they were really cool about not making non gays uncomfortable as I was about not treating them like they had a disease, I always treated them just like another dude.

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 Post subject: Re: Your feelings on Gay Marriage
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StabMasterArson wrote:
GodLovesYou wrote:
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As long as a gay dude doesn't grab my ass or make out in front of my kids (Men or Women), then I'm fine with their gayness.


In no way attacking your opinion here but just out of curiosity: why don't you want your kids to see gay people making out when straight people are ok?

It would be hard to explain to a 5 year old, but I don't want straight people making out around my kids either. I actually make them cover their eyes when kissing scenes are on tv, like even on Pirates of the Caribbean, I prefer they think all kissing is gross except like a bed time peck on the cheek for myself and my wife. I'm very protective of my girls, I seriously don't have anything against gay folks, my sister in law is actually gay, like I said, as long as a dude doesn't try anything in a flirty sexual way I'm cool with it. I've had friends who are gay before and they were really cool about not making non gays uncomfortable as I was about not treating them like they had a disease, I always treated them just like another dude.


I'm not trying to tell you how to raise your kids or anything, but won't sheltering them the from things such as kissing scenes in movies make it harder for them to understand it when you finally do allow them to see it? That's not to say that you should shove it in their face, but it seems like it would be healthier for the children if you were to explain to them that kissing is a loving, natural way for two human beings to express love for eachother, and that there is a certain age where such actions become appropriate.

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StabMasterArson wrote:
GodLovesYou wrote:
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As long as a gay dude doesn't grab my ass or make out in front of my kids (Men or Women), then I'm fine with their gayness.


In no way attacking your opinion here but just out of curiosity: why don't you want your kids to see gay people making out when straight people are ok?

It would be hard to explain to a 5 year old, but I don't want straight people making out around my kids either. I actually make them cover their eyes when kissing scenes are on tv, like even on Pirates of the Caribbean, I prefer they think all kissing is gross except like a bed time peck on the cheek for myself and my wife. I'm very protective of my girls, I seriously don't have anything against gay folks, my sister in law is actually gay, like I said, as long as a dude doesn't try anything in a flirty sexual way I'm cool with it. I've had friends who are gay before and they were really cool about not making non gays uncomfortable as I was about not treating them like they had a disease, I always treated them just like another dude.


Ok, I can definitely see your point here, and I'm not trying to tell you how to raise your kids, but there are two more things I wonder about here:

Isn't it possible that sheltering your children too much could put them at a disadvantage later? Now, I know they're only five so it's not really an issue now, but would you continue doing this when they're older?
Also I want to ask if you do the same with violence? It's a stupid question, I know, but I know of oh so many parents who have huge problems with anything remotely sexual but no problem at all with even the most extreme violence and gore (hell, my parents let me watch Poltergeist at five years old and I still remember the entire movie, but I wasn't allowed to watch romcoms where they joked about or referenced sex).

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 Post subject: Re: Your feelings on Gay Marriage
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Guys, I don't shelter my kids just because I don't want them watching people tongue kissing, I don't want my five year old making out with other kids right now because kids do what they see. They watch Harry Potter, Transformers, Pirates of the Caribbean, Shrek, etc.... a little violence is ok with me, but I really don't want them playing something or watching something like GTA 4. They know that kissing is what people who are in love do, they know that hitting other kids is bad, does that mean I should let them watch porn and ufc.........no not really.

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 Post subject: Re: Your feelings on Gay Marriage
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StabMasterArson wrote:
Guys, I don't shelter my kids just because I don't want them watching people tongue kissing, I don't want my five year old making out with other kids right now because kids do what they see. They watch Harry Potter, Transformers, Pirates of the Caribbean, Shrek, etc.... a little violence is ok with me, but I really don't want them playing something or watching something like GTA 4. They know that kissing is what people who are in love do, they know that hitting other kids is bad, does that mean I should let them watch porn and ufc.........no not really.


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 Post subject: Re: Your feelings on Gay Marriage
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Fact of the Matter:

In the US
you Pay Marriage Tax

Therefore Legally
You cannot play segregation with it
Everyone is entitled the right to marry who they want
If it deals with taxes

As for marriage in churchs, thats a different story
But they should still be legally able to marry in a court house.

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 Post subject: Re: Your feelings on Gay Marriage
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Just a tiny notice, if you'd like to talk about 'how to raise children' make a separate topic. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Your feelings on Gay Marriage
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My bad, I was just clarifying what he asked me, gay is ok.

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