As many of you know, California recently passed a law to allow Gay Marriage in our state. Weddings started last week all over California and there will be many more this summer. This November, a ban against gay marriage is going to be on the ballot. It is an issue that we can not ignore.

Do you feel that this ban is legitimate?

If you live in a place where gay marriage is allowed, what are your feelings on it?

What are your basic beliefs in this area?

I personally am happy with gay marriage. I have many friends who are gay and I have family members who are gay as well. I have very strong beliefs about gay rights and equality and when I heard that California was the second state in the USA to legalize it, I was proud to be a Californian. I know it is a touchy subject to discuss but I wanted to know what everyones feelings were on it because it is an election year in the States and this subject will come up.

Please respect peoples feelings and opinions and lets keep this as respectable as possible and handle this discussion like the adults we think we are.

gay marriages are immoral.....that's what the church would say....


let them be its everyone's right to find happiness am i right? they let priests fuck around when they aren't supposed to why not some yuri and or yaoi action ;)

I'll be honest. I'm surprised that at this point in human history this issue is still a debate astounds me.

For me, it's like this. There are two topics that I believe will never have a solution that satisfies everyone. Abortion and the death penalty. That's because they both have to do with ending a life(depending on your definition of life I suppose). That kind of stuff is something that at no point will everyone agree on. It varies from culture to culture, religion to religion, country to country, state to state, hell even person to person.

But gay marriage? Come on! What's the big freaking deal anyways. It's allowing two people to love each other the same way that everyone else gets a chance to do. How long has homosexuality been around? Something like forever last I heard. I don't buy all the arguments that get brought up about it too, they are so transparent you can see right through them. Some of the arguments against gay marriage are the last act of a desperate man.

Anyways, that's my take. I hope I didn't come off as really angry about it. I'm more just puzzled because it seems like we should have been past this whole issue a while back.

PS - Great topic. This is why I'm glad they added a "Serious Talk" sub forum.

My personal opinion is that we should all just let people live their lives the way they want to. It doesn't affect me in a negative way, so I don't have a problem with it.

The pros for allowing Gay marriage aren't really moral ones, because a gay couple can live happily together without being married. The real reason for them to marry is the social-economic benefits. ie: Spousal privlege, life inssurance benefits, etc. There are a lot of economic and legal benefits to marriage, and why should gay couples be denied them?

you know, its thier personal lives, let them do what they want and live how they want, and even if its not legalized, they will live together anyways so your not changing a damn thing by saying oh no you cant be married.

I agree with low budget jeff - this is an idea thats time should have came and went a long time ago and be commonplace and a non issue by now, its not like if you allow gay couples to marry it will have a direct impact on your life, unless your gay that is.

another issue that , at least in my mind is linked to this ( probaly even worse ) is not allowing gays in the military, this one is really dumb, what exactly makes a gay person less able to serve and or defend thier country then a straight person? not a damn thing IMO .

If you can marry a f a g and not smoke one then I see a problem. Where one group is being tolerated and another is being austracized (no idea if I spelt that right).

Here is my thought on it. If you want to be treated equal, and this goes for every group not just gays, then dont make it so that you exclude yourself in one way or another.

Want to have marriage rights I dont care, but act equal to be treated equal. Making your situation seem special because of what you are and not who you are is fucking stupid.

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There is a difference in the eyes of the law. There are economic and legal benefits to being married like I said in my earlier post. And yes, gays should be given those benefits.



I'm not defending the policy, but I think part of the reason they don't want gays in the military is that it makes housing difficult. You can't very well put a gay man with a bunch of straight soldiers in a barracks, or so say the military officials. What's interesting is that in ancient Sparta, soldiers were encouraged to have gay relationships with their follow soldiers. The idea was that a soldier is less likely to break ranks if he is protecting the man he loves. Interesting no?

Just let them be. If they are happy with how they chose to live their lives, who are you to say they are wrong? Someone said it before me, even if it's not legalized they'll still be living together and pretty much doing the same thing(Not a sexual comment.) Banning gay marriage won't suddenly turn everyone straight.

A little bit harsh but i think the same.
It doesnt hurt anybody so there is no reason for the goverment to intervent against it!
In Germany its allowed for 5 years or more and Satan didnt come here to have a party... .Something what I really love over here is that the curch has no real political power maybe a little bit in bavaria but nobody cares about what they are doing.

But why should they have to worry about that sort of thing. Just because they would be rooming with an gay man doesn't mean that he would hit on them and be disruptive. All of the gay friends do not want to be excluded for whom they loved because people are afraid of being hit on. If that is the case then women and men shouldn't be able to work together, wouldn't that be the same scenario?

One of the reasons I posed this topic is because I have strong beliefs for gay rights but many people I know will say that they are for it when they are not. Many people are afraid to speak their mind about how they really feel. I wanted to create a platform where people could talk about it. Because I agree, it is 2008, why should we still be feuding about this? Why can't two people love each other and the rest of the world stay out of their business?! I don't know why people can't treat them like everyone else.

I've made my stand on this a long time ago. I actually remember Rune and I debating about this countless times. Homo Sexuality is not a natural thing. It is not a part of nature. There are male and female that way humans can populate.

I am very religious, so if God created it to be man and female then that is righteous. Any straying away from that is unrighteous. Pretty simple really when you look at it that way.

Pretty simple? Not for me because I dont believe in any god so for me it isnt righteous to say how people have to life their lives!
And if there is a god I dont think he want that either!

Sry double posted it!

I'm pretty sure a God could choose whatever he wants for the people he created. He gave humans free will, something he didn't give other creatures on Earth, so they could make their own decisions, that way they could choose a road of righteousness or unrighteousness. It all comes full circle.

The Bible says that there are two rewards; 1 for those who do what's right and sacrifice things they want in life, and there is another for those who do what is bad, they get their reward by doing what they want at the moment, therefore they are not bound to God's law. But they will pay for it when the time comes.

(I apologize for bringing in religion into this, but it's kinda impossible to separate the two).

If there's any proof that God hates homosexuality its in the example of Sodom and Gomorrah. Now why did he do that? In the short term he liberated Lot and his family from the wicked ways of life that the Sodomites had chosen. And in the long term he made an example of how he felt about Homosexuality.

The bible also says that God doesn't ever change. His ways are forever.

I completely agree with you. I just wanted to offer the other side of the arguement. I personally think it's complete garbage. Just because a man is gay doesn't make him some sex fiend. I wish that the people that make those rules weren't so ignorant.

You brought up an interesting point: Free Will. I know some people from parts of the US where homosexuality isn't understood at all, and they seem to think that all gays choose to be gay. I know this sounds crass, but from a medical standpoint, homosexuality is a mental condition (a mutaion). I am not saying it is bad or wrong, so please don't flame me! I merely wanted to state that from an evolutionary standpoint, homosexuality isn't "funtional." that being said, the vast majority of homosexuals are born that way. So, if you want to blame someone for the "mistake" the only one you could blame would be God! It baffles me when religious zealots say that homosexuality is against the will of God when it was clearly his will to allow them to be born the way they are! Again, I just want to state that I am in no way trying to imply there is anything wrong with homosexuality. People often misinterprate me when I make this arguement.

I know thinks are a little bit different in the US with religous things,but you have to seperate them!In your post you say that religion is right what happend in sodom and Gomorrah is a fact but it isnt!Its right for you and that doesnt mean is has to be right for anyone.The Bible was written to set a moral standart in the time it was written it doesnt mean we have to live the life from 2000 or 3000 years ago now!
Religion and sexual orientation are both two things that people have to decide for them self and shouldnt bother other people with it.
And againg until there is no prove that there is a hell i dont go to people and tell them they will go there when they dont live the life I want them to life,because the bible was written by humans and they decided what is wrong and what is right!

My English isnt good enough to make my point as clear as i could in German so i hope you get what I mean

The Bible itself mentions it is to times indefinite, and its words never die out. What is applicable back then are still applicable now.

Religion = Beliefs encompass every single facet of life.

Also, my the bible never mentions of a firey hell, so I am not saying that homosexuals go to hell or such.

(And I'm not dissing you or anything. I respect your opinion and your beliefs, however I just don't agree with them)

Ok I don't want to sound like some pissed off redneck but here's the thing:

I don't like gay people.

I just feel uncomfortable in the presence of a homo. The way they act and talk can be funny at the beginning but gets annoying fast. I also don't like the fact that a guy may be stearing at my ass. There used to be a gay dude in my class and he would keep hitting on a friend of mine who was not gay. It was realy annoying. It's how i feel and I can't change it.

I do believe in equality and freedom of all human beings. That's why I don't mind if two people of the same sex live together as a couple. Also, those people should NOT be made fun of in a harmfull way. Those people contribute to the society just like anybody else.

But I refuse to acknowlage homosexual relationships as equal to the heterosexual ones. If they want to live together that's fine. Get married? Yes but with limitations. Actualy there is one MAJOR concern I have with gay marriage: adopting children. Any government who allows that should get their heads examined. Gay people, no matter how loving and careing they might be, can NOT create a healthy surrounding for a kid, who will grow up eventualy! What kind of family picture will he be able to pass on to HIS children?

To sum it up: despite my dislike for homosexuals I think they should be able to live their relationships and be happy just like other people. But if you allow them to get married, make sure they don't have the rights to adopt kids, because that would be a disaster.