Religion is such a strange topic. I really don't know where I stand to be honest. I was raised a Catholic but in my early teens I stopped going to mass and began to think a lot about my religion. I only went along with it because I was young and pretty much had to; I wasn't exactly given a choice. I'd like to believe that God or something similar exists and would say that I'm agnostic but at other times I have such a bleak outlook and believe in nothing. I think the only thing I can do is wait and see what happens when I die

I respect each and every one view out there, but it doesn't mean they are not wrong. I never insulted anyone religion I just don't belive in any.

First off, I am one of the many who don't believe in a super-power/invisible man in the sky... I was baptised... and forced up to confirmation because my parents wanted me to be able to marry at the church and such...

The only time i recall believing in a god was basicly, when people were using scare tactics when i was a kid. "If you don't behave, you'll go to hell... etc"... Honestly, it was more of a "...what if they're right!" kinda thing.

It didn't take long though for me to develop logic and questioning of things I did not comprehend, and seems the more you ask questions about religion to grownups, the more confused they actually were and usualy went with the good old "god meant it to be this way" and all...

I didn't buy into it... as a matter of fact... I've always seen the church as a company... If you live in the Americas today, It's because the pope allowed colonization with the purpose of converting people. I am Canadian, Québecois specificly, and basicly the natives here were slaughtered and their children taken and educated under the fearsome grasp of god, where their ancestor's ways were reffered to as anti-christ beliefs and straight out of Lucifer. They basicly made sure over 30 different amerindian tribes would forever be extinct, their language never heard again.

Fast forward a little less than a hundred years... The English people are taking over New-France/Canada... Here comes the fun part... France lost, abandonned it's people in Canada, the english being the victors now are making their rules for their new subjects. Since Canadians were Christans and English were Protestant, and belief was very important at this time in the 1700-1800s, In order to have rights you needed to abandon your beleifs and language or be deported out of the country... (to Louisianna, New-Orleans... etc...) Many families were broken up and such due to those things...



Anyhow... sorry for the history lesson, but that actually is one of the many things that sparked my reasoning that religion is basicly just some pretext to keep people in line and make sure you can always make people believe in a "good and evil" to your own gains. Since we all know Religion is the first cause of war and slaughter in the first place... just play the religion and "they are evil" card, and yippe-dee-doo! Let's get those mofo's!



This is meant as a personal oppinion about religion, this only reflect my views... I understand this looks more like a rant... but i'll admit... once i start, i always go too far... this might be my only post here. No attacks meant!

pst they are the same thing, are you sure you don't mean catholic?

Chrisitanity like most religions is fractured. Meaning for every different interpretation there is a sect dedicated towards that. What baffles me is when they fight each other (Sectarian violence is quite prevelant in some glasgow areas) because ultimatly it's the same dude they worship.

I'm a crazy atheist and believe everything can be explained through science, but during the winter months I celebrate Christmas with the family because it's no longer about Jesus's Birthday as it is, "Can I get an Nintendo Wii?"

Even though I am an atheist, I do express joy in people with a "faith", it's something they believe it, rather God Intended stuff to happen, or it was just "Mother Nature". As long as people have something they believe in (even if its "not to believe in anything"). Then that's good enough for me.

*My gods will kick your gods ass* couldnt resist writing it here

Anyways. I don't believe in evolution among man. The possibility of us developing as such complex lifeforms over the little amount of time we were actually on the planet is kind of hard to believe for me.

Seeing as crocodiles have pretty much been on this earth forever and they're still a bunch of stupid animals.

The little amount of time? 2.5 billion years is a short time? How long would it have to believe in evolution?

Longer than that.

Like I said, there are other organisms that have been on God's green earth longer than we have and they aren't as genetically sophisticated as we are.

Edit: That could be taken wrong.

I mean that things have been on this earth longer than us but how do you explain the fact that we are more advanced than those beings?

Exacly, I have a third nipple is that part of Gods intellegent design

Note It's more of a nubbing but still it's another useless nipple. It's not like my other two have any function MIRIGHT?

Well, Dinosaurs were only around for some millions of years and now it's largely theorised that their dissapearance is the result of them evolving into our modern day birds.
I guess if large scaly reptiles can evolve into small-medium sized feathered birds, than I can see apes evolving into people.

Indeed, and let's not for get the tons of transitional fossils showing great apes becoming more and more human like. And then there are the Neanderthals, who were thought to be primitive humans. However, it was later shown that they were not human, like REALLY not human. So here we have an animal, who bury their dead, who have music and culture and care for their handicapped, all considered intellectual behavior, yet they are not human. If we can't evolve, how do we explain this species?

And finally we have chromosome number two, which I have mentioned several times. I never bother to explain it though as it would take quite some time to go through. I'll just direct you to this video, it explains the Neanderthal stuff as well as chromosome number two. Note that these are not made up facts, these are things that have been tested and proven time and time again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuH ... re=related

I still don't believe humans evolved.

You people aren't going to change that no matter how many things you throw at me.

(This might be pushing it, so tell me if I'm going to far here. If you don't want to answer, that's fine.)

I just have to ask: Why? Do you feel it discredits God or that it makes us humans less special?

We gotta keep two things separate here, gods and creationism. While creationism has been more or less destroyed and Intelligent Design is just being laughed (with all due right), is it really so hard to believe that God might have been watching over the evolutionary process? While this is not my belief, does God and evolution have to be mutually exclusive? I think they can exist in harmony, unlike evolution and creationism. For all we know God could still be the creator of the world, it just didn't happen like the bible or the Discovery Institute told it.

Creationists don't believe in evolution partly due to the Imago Dei, or "In the image of god". If god had a hand in evolution then the Imago dei either means one of two things. One humanity is no longer in the image of god since if we evolved then that means we changed and two god was an ape (I'm not joking)

It appears believing and knowing are two separate things...

I'll just stick with Grillranger's question for now as you've made me curious as to why you can never accept the thought that humans evolved from something regardless of the increasing amount of proof being mounted in it's favor?

I mean, speaking for myself, if there was ANY reliable proof that humans were created as they are now ca 6000 years ago I'd buy into the argument but right now that is not only implausible but downright laughable. As I said before: religion and evolution don't have to oppose each other; hell, if the pope can condone evolution there must be some merit to it?

I find it hard to belive that people in our days still doubt the evolution theory that is based on science and not on fairy tale..sorry just cant understand it.

I wholly believe in evolution. In other animals.

I don't see how people can believe in such random occurrences when the evidence they have found has extremely large gaps of time in between each find.

Show me hardcore evidence showing the gradual evolution of man and I will agree with it, but with such insubstantial evidence of the "in betweens" of each find, I just can't do it.

I would appreciate it if you didn't belittle my religion and call it a fairy tale. If you are an atheist or something, go ahead and be one. I'm not going to call you a godless fiend (even though God is with everyone, even atheists). I am insulted at such arrogance towards my religion.

A fairy tale? Come on. This is the serious section.

Who knows though. Maybe in the beginning, we were created in the image of god and he's slowly tweaked us to what we are today through seemingly "random" (and VERY UNLIKELY, might I add) occurrences.

"If you do things right, it will seem like you haven't done anything at all."

Think about that. (Yes, I heard it on Futurama but it impacted my life considerably)