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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:01 pm 
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While I am not against removing sexual things out of reach of children, it seems this will affect a lot of things that shouldn't have any problems. It seems to affect a broad sense of things rather than targeting just those ecchi manga. It could easily affect things such as one Piece or Fairy Tail who have a lot of things they could attack.

this is kind of odd coming from a place where they sell panties in vending machines. It also does not ban anything in real life material.

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Tokyo’s ban on anime, manga and games featuring “virtual crimes” or which are “likely to interfere with the healthy development of youth” has passed after the DPJ agreed to support it.

This bill however still does not ban actual, "real life" crimes in media such as rape. Books, magazines and other "real life" media are also unaffected by this bill.

The DPJ’s only addition to the critical portion of the law was a short rider which requests “prudent application of the law in light of any artistic, social, scientific or satirical merits the work might express” – it does not however add any legal obligation to consider these, or establish any clear or indepdently enforced criteria for judging whether a work can be declared “harmful” or not.

Even more bizarrely, the final draft actually removed a passage that imposed “a duty not to possess [photographic] child pornography” on Tokyo residents, whilst leaving the section banning erotic manga and anime (and explicitly excluding photographic materials) all but unchanged – that the bill is intended exclusively as an “anti-otaku” law seems to be beyond doubt.

It is very difficult to objectively assess the scope of the law – along with vague and subjective terms like “interfere with the healthy development of youth,” the law also includes “etc.” on the end of most of its examples, leaving it quite unclear, for example, whether the “improper glorification of illegal sexual activity, etc.” applies to only virtual sex crimes, or all crimes in general – presumably the interpretation adopted will be whichever is convenient to censors.
Similarly, the ban’s mention of “rape and other sexual acts which violate societal norms” seems inevitably to point to a ban on depictions of homosexuality, considering who was behind the law.

The generally expected form the law will take is that of a “amakudari” (a pervasive system of sinecures for retired bureaucrats) body which will inspect all anime, manga and games, with only those titles receiving approval as “healthy” able to be sold regularly in Tokyo shops – the rest will be relegated to the “adult corner.”

The most immediate and direct effect of the law will almost certainly be to see ecchi manga such as To Love-Ru, bishoujo titles such as Champion Red and most BL manga, as well as any seinen manga with especially mature themes, banned from general sales – presumably most will then be cancelled due to a lack of suitable magazine or tankobon distribution channels, with a few perhaps being resurrected as 18+ ero-manga.

As has already been seen, publishers will also likely be purging future anime, manga and games of any content liable to fall foul of the law, and removing older titles from distribution.

The law probably also spells the end of most late night anime in Tokyo (and by extension, everywhere else), which it would appear to ban under its distribution clause; given the vague wording of the current season alone it seems Ore no Imouto, Panty & Stocking, Yosuga, Sora no Otoshimono, Milky Holmes and others would all fall foul of its various stipulations.

There is also some doubt as to whether Comiket will be able to be held under the new regulations – if not, its cancellation or removal to another prefecture seems likely, although a lack of sufficiently large spaces may severely complicate this.

The law comes into effect in July of 2011, so with magazine, tankobon, anime and game release schedules being what they are, it seems likely its effects will be felt much sooner; in a genuinely democratic state there might be scope to overturn it before then, but from what has been seen so far it seems unlikely publishers have the guts or savvy to do anything about it.

Tokyo’s ban of anime, manga and games is not even law yet, but already mangaka are reporting publishers refusing to publish works set in schools or featuring school uniforms, with previously published works even in danger of having their reprints cancelled.

BL mangaka Shouko Takaku complains that her (unidentified, but “unfortunately not small”) publisher told her to stop using school trappings in her manga:

I was bluntly told the other day “because of the Tokyo ordinance, please stop using high school students [in your manga].” Depending on the label it seems you can’t even draw school uniforms…”
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Yes, I was really shocked – I was astonished and responded “Really? Really? It’s come to that now already?”


She comments that she expects the industry’s recent decline will only be accelerated by the introduction of the ban.

Another BL mangaka, Kanako Meiji, reports her publisher is considering cancelling a reprint of her works:
What’s going to happen? A new edition of one of my titles was due to be published in April, but now it’s under deliberation, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s cancelled.

She compares the political precedent the law represents to Japan’s notorious 1925 “Peace Preservation Law,” a law which began Japan’s lurch towards totalitarianism by imposing a prison sentence of up to 10 years on anyone found guilty of threatening the “national character” of Japan.

Japan’s secret police force subsequently became notorious as “thought police,” and later revisions saw the law expanded to cover more types of thought crime and the right of appeal revoked. Only the American invasion saw them abolished.

Then, just as now, a vaguely worded law allowed authorities to intimidate into silence all those they did not lock up directly – a fate which seems likely to befall all publishers of anime, manga and games in Japan.

GAMING is also affected by this law. So in other words, gaming publishers also have to take this bill seriously when creating a game. Like I said before, games such as Cathrine, will be very scrutinized when under this bill.

Publishers, like Square Enix, Namco-Banda that produce video games as well as anime/manga, have to either move out of Tokyo so the bill will not be effective, or to abide by it.

But moving is also a hard part. Tokyo is the biggest city in Japan and if every single publisher moves out of Tokyo, the other cities might not have enough space for all the publishers. They will either have to move across seas or stay.

This is self-destructive for the Japanese economy too. Their economy is bad enough as it is, they will also be losing revenue from one of the largest grossing revenue items that they have which are manga, anime, and video games, if they impose the bill.

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Tokyo’s ban on anime, manga and games featuring “virtual crimes” or which are “likely to interfere with the healthy development of youth” has passed after the DPJ agreed to support it.

The DPJ’s only addition to the critical portion of the law was a short rider which requests “prudent application of the law in light of any artistic, social, scientific or satirical merits the work might express” – it does not however add any legal obligation to consider these, or establish any clear or indepdently enforced criteria for judging whether a work can be declared “harmful” or not.

Even more bizarrely, the final draft actually removed a passage that imposed “a duty not to possess [photographic] child pornography” on Tokyo residents, whilst leaving the section banning erotic manga and anime (and explicitly excluding photographic materials) all but unchanged – that the bill is intended exclusively as an “anti-otaku” law seems to be beyond doubt.

It is very difficult to objectively assess the scope of the law – along with vague and subjective terms like “interfere with the healthy development of youth,” the law also includes “etc.” on the end of most of its examples, leaving it quite unclear, for example, whether the “improper glorification of illegal sexual activity, etc.” applies to only virtual sex crimes, or all crimes in general – presumably the interpretation adopted will be whichever is convenient to censors.

Similarly, the ban’s mention of “rape and other sexual acts which violate societal norms” seems inevitably to point to a ban on depictions of homosexuality, considering who was behind the law.

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The generally expected form the law will take is that of a “amakudari” (a pervasive system of sinecures for retired bureaucrats) body which will inspect all anime, manga and games, with only those titles receiving approval as “healthy” able to be sold regularly in Tokyo shops – the rest will be relegated to the “adult corner.”

The most immediate and direct effect of the law will almost certainly be to see ecchi manga such as To Love-Ru, bishoujo titles such as Champion Red and most BL manga, as well as any seinen manga with especially mature themes, banned from general sales – presumably most will then be cancelled due to a lack of suitable magazine or tankobon distribution channels, with a few perhaps being resurrected as 18+ ero-manga.

As has already been seen, publishers will also likely be purging future anime, manga and games of any content liable to fall foul of the law, and removing older titles from distribution.

The law probably also spells the end of most late night anime in Tokyo (and by extension, everywhere else), which it would appear to ban under its distribution clause; given the vague wording of the current season alone it seems Ore no Imouto, Panty & Stocking, Yosuga, Sora no Otoshimono, Milky Holmes and others would all fall foul of its various stipulations.

There is also some doubt as to whether Comiket will be able to be held under the new regulations – if not, its cancellation or removal to another prefecture seems likely, although a lack of sufficiently large spaces may severely complicate this.

The law is expected to be signed into law on the 15th after an additional vote and then come into effect in July of 2011, so with magazine, tankobon, anime and game release schedules being what they are, it seems likely its effects will be felt much sooner; in a genuinely democratic state there might be scope to overturn it before then, but from what has been seen so far it seems unlikely publishers have the guts or savvy to do anything about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Tokyo Bans cetrain Anime/Manga/Games That
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I've been hearing about this law for a while and I do not agree with it at all. It's funny that they are banning things that have virtual crimes that can interfere with the healthy development of youth is coming from a country that in all honesty does not have that much crime.

I don't think this will interfere with things like One Piece/Fairy Tail at all. One Piece is shown on sunday mornings and Fairy Tail on monday mornings. I can't see a morning anime for kids being where this bill is going to hit. It's going to hit the late night shows like Panty and Stocking, and ero games turned into anime.

I see this going both ways, because I think with cash cows like One Piece, that title will be allowed to do more or less what it wants because there really isn't anything objectionable in that manga, but even if it was, it makes so much money that they would probably just let it be, however they will prob go after things that aren't as profitable just to show their power over the system.

This bill is stupid, but Japan has been heading for this direction for years, they censor a lot of things on tv releases on anime, and now it seems like they are going to be censoring things outside of tv as well, which I just don't agree with.

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Oh man, this thing.

It's not nearly as bad as some have made it out to be...at first look. The issue with this thing is how vague it can be and just how much effect it can have as a result. There is a mess of wiggle room for this thing, which is why people are freaking the Hell out. It's supposed to be an anti-otaku bill, which I do understand since the livestyle has had a negative effect on the younger generation there for awhile now, but this is really going overboard. It looks like they went with what they could actually win over for political points. How so? They had to cut out some stuff that dealt with more mature stuff like lolicon and the such. That much vagueness steeps into pornography, after all, and that isn't really a target but rather this subculture that has become such a huge obsession for these kids and younger adults.

I'd argue that H-gaming and the like have far more impact on this issue, but it seems pointless in this case. This is nothing but political pandering and it's gonna get some people bit in the ass. A lot of people have already started protesting against it.....which sadly includes Boy Love authors.

I really wish we could pick our allies in this fight because some of our allies are doing more hurt than good.

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Perfect example is what I read in there somewhere: They are banning all anime/manga/game that involve school uniforms and the like. PROBLEM, WHAT IF IT'S AN ANIME MANGA OR GAME SET IN A SCHOOL AND IS COMPLETELY HARMLESS?

Now, I know that rational and intelligent being will more than likely know that those will probably will not get any problems. Or even the examples in the posts above. It's just that people, politicians especially, are retarded and tend to use things to win votes.

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I'm sorry...but considering that the headline is incomplete and I don't want to read that massive wall of text. Can someone simply state what Tokyo is banning?

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Beeslo wrote:
I'm sorry...but considering that the headline is incomplete and I don't want to read that massive wall of text. Can someone simply state what Tokyo is banning?

Non-H anime and manga.

Because that bill is vague as all hell.

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sorry, i meant to type more for the title but i forgot to delete it all :D

yeah its the vagueness that is the problem. the school uniform thing is retarded. All Japanese schools require a uniform so its hard to make any mangas set in school. They could have banned uniforms too small for the characters obviously, like the very short skirts. I wouldn't have a problem with that, but ALL uniforms? really?

the vagueness is gonna cause problems.

Game companies are gonna like have to skip town or do something. Catherine might not release at all now, which would make the entire time they spent making the game, worthless.

It would be fine if they just make all stores push all adult things to the back of the store or a back room where the youngsters can't touch it without ID saying they are adults, but no they got to be stupid about it. The city with a train station built like a Japanese loli where the train goes between the legs. REALLY? Hypocrites.

The purpose of the law is to target things that are not already labled for adults only. here is so much partial nudity, big boobs with only nipples covered, ripped/very small school uniforms, etc. in manga/anime/games that the younguns see. That is what they want to target. So either sell it for older audiences, tone it down, or don't sell it. Which is what would hurt the companies as their sales go to the young people more than anything. So companies need to either deal with it or leave Tokyo, most likely crippling the city

It is just that the vagueness can allow them to target anything for any suggestive reason

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What's funny is that the absolute worst stuff, the actual hentai business, is totally unaffected.

I remember seeing a study where there was a spike in crimes against younger children around just after the first attempt at restricting manga, hentai, and whatever with young girls popped up. I hope this does not cause the same thing.

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