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I was at a local game store yesterday and the manager there said that their sales of PC games has gone up each month for the last 3 months in all the stores in the country. So that has to be a sign that PC gaming is on the rise.

Especially since a lot of the games are not just WoW expansions and stuff.

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I was at a local game store yesterday and the manager there said that their sales of PC games has gone up each month for the last 3 months in all the stores in the country. So that has to be a sign that PC gaming is on the rise.

Especially since a lot of the games are not just WoW expansions and stuff.

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except you are from Canada and according to Jordan Doom, you don't exist...and neither do those statistics... :-D

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 Post subject: Re: So, is PC gaming past its time?
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Well I've always been a console gamer out of necessity, I had a computer from the stone age until i was like 14 so I could never play decent PC games. But objectively speaking I think console has the edge, here's why:

1. It's significantly cheaper (Xbox 360=$349 Wii=$249 Ps3=$499, high-end gaming PC=$1000+)

2. No installations (Not counting stupid ps3)

3. All the games are guaranteed to work, unlike PCs where you may encounter problems such as lack of memory or an inferior graphics card, rendering the game unplayable.

4. Consoles have an incredibly larger selection of unique games. While games for windows is bringing over some of the more popular xbox 360 titles, there's just way more console games out there to suite a variety of tastes, which is what developers want.

5. PC gaming has a serious hacker epidemic.

6. This last one may not apply to everyone, but it certainly applied to me for quite some time. If you only have one or two computers in the house, and you don't live alone, chances are someone (Parent, sibling, child, spouse, etc.) is going to have to use the computer, and it usually happens while your completely sucked into a good game, which is a real downer.

So, in closing, I'll say that since consoles have evolved to the incredible state they're in now, I say PC gaming is indeed past its time with the exception of the occasional good MMORPG or RTS.


Here are my rebutals to your points.

1. It maybe cheaper to buy a console that will last you about 5-6 years then you have to get a next generation for another $400-$700(my estimate due to the world economy). While if you get a PC it would be if anything a $1k-$infinite depending on what your budget is. While the PC will last you as long as you have the cash to upgrade whatever component you need which can vary for
$1-$700 and usually it really is a video card or maybe a mouse/keyboard.

2.Installations are sucky but you really can't do much about not installing a new DirectX/Flash/ect. version so you can watch online videos/games/any other thing to you hearts desire. As for operating systems and hardware most already come with drivers when you buy a PC/hardware so it really shouldn't be a problem especially since it really is just a read and click install.

3.As I said in point 2 hardware is easily replaceable especially memory since 1 gig of memory is around $25-$35 dollars and usually it comes bundled with another 1 gig which really is 2 gigs that should run any game ok.

4.Consoles do have an incredible selection of games of all genres but that also applies to PC games. Heck if you want a shooter take your choice of all of the incredible ones that are available. God games take Sim games for a spin. Heck even Final Fantasy has a PC port.

5.If your playing a game with hackers most likely you also will be using hacks or mods.

6.This point is really a situational reason and should have been ignored. I know the problems of being in a great online game on the PC but if it is something that family/friends could wait for then they should be patient while you finish the game. If that is not the case then you sir are SOL.


Counterpoints:

1. Key words there are "...as long as you have the cash..." and "...depending on what your budget is..." most people's are low, and upgrade costs can add up into the hundreds after 5 or 6 years.

2. Installations are far from hard, but they're an inconvienece worth mentioning, and there are some stupid people who have trouble with them.

3. Again, alot of people don't have the money or the know-how to upgrade their hardware.

4. PC game selection doesn't hold a candle to console game selection, 'nuff said. :snooty:

5. Alot of people don't know how to hack at all, or as well as pro hackers, or if you're like me, you find that hacking/cheating simply ruins the game regardless of who does it.

6. I just kinda threw that in there as a personal scenario, I already mentioned it doesn't apply to everyone, but it does happen.

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 Post subject: Re: So, is PC gaming past its time?
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I was at a local game store yesterday and the manager there said that their sales of PC games has gone up each month for the last 3 months in all the stores in the country. So that has to be a sign that PC gaming is on the rise.

Especially since a lot of the games are not just WoW expansions and stuff.

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except you are from Canada and according to Jordan Doom, you don't exist...and neither do those statistics... :-D


Does Sweden exist? Here PC games are on the top selling games every week... More than half of the Top 15 best sold games every week are PC games over here! That's... Weird lol

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 Post subject: Re: So, is PC gaming past its time?
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crxforum wrote:
I was at a local game store yesterday and the manager there said that their sales of PC games has gone up each month for the last 3 months in all the stores in the country. So that has to be a sign that PC gaming is on the rise.

Especially since a lot of the games are not just WoW expansions and stuff.

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except you are from Canada and according to Jordan Doom, you don't exist...and neither do those statistics... :-D


Does Sweden exist? Here PC games are on the top selling games every week... More than half of the Top 15 best sold games every week are PC games over here! That's... Weird lol


Most of the people have to understand that the USA is different for the rest of the World. Heck Starcraft is Korea's "national" sport and as for Sweden I want to go there just because my friend went on a trip and he proclaimed that any true PC gamer needs to go to Sweden becuase of the Lan places they have and the PC gaming community that is so tight. I envy most countries that still embrace PC gaming and hasn't disowned it. Damn the USA for picking graphics and simplicity over community. :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: So, is PC gaming past its time?
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I truly believe that PC's pinnacle was when adventure games were huge in the mid 90's. Lucasarts and Sierra still pumped out awesome adventure game after another. FPS were starting to get huge with Quake and Doom. RTS were huge with C&C and Red Alert. I mean, the entire market was untouchable. But then I think a lot of its power was stolen by the original Xbox and its Xbox Live and then the 360 just sealed the deal. You could play pretty much the same game, without upgrading your computer, without installing anything, without drops in framerate (as if you had something else running on your computer), and multiplayer was improved ten fold.

Nowadays, the only games you see for the PC are FPS (with exception to Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2) hae a much better life on consoles now, RTS (but a lot of developers are turning towards consoles now...see Tom Clancy's End War) and MMORPG's which are probably the only type of game that hasn't done well on consoles (but that could change). Honestly...I can't remember the last game I played on my computer...and I used to be a huge PC gamer. In fact, I missed the N64, PSX and other consoles because PC gaming was still in its prime. That is no longer the fact.


Tie fighter - One of the best PC games, period. A game laregly unknown by many modern gamers too. Next to KOTOR and Battlefront, easily one of, if not the best star wars games ever. And Duke 3D owned too.

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 Post subject: Re: So, is PC gaming past its time?
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I'm surprised, where's Geoff on this topic?


He is like a ninja, he posts when you least expect it.

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I'm surprised, where's Geoff on this topic?


He is like a ninja, he posts when you least expect it.


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 Post subject: Re: So, is PC gaming past its time?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:19 pm 
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Most of the people have to understand that the USA is different for the rest of the World. Heck Starcraft is Korea's "national" sport and as for Sweden I want to go there just because my friend went on a trip and he proclaimed that any true PC gamer needs to go to Sweden becuase of the Lan places they have and the PC gaming community that is so tight. I envy most countries that still embrace PC gaming and hasn't disowned it. Damn the USA for picking graphics and simplicity over community. :cry:


You should check out Dreamhack, biggest LAN party in the world! Was around 10.000 people at it last year... Haven't been there myself, but damn. It seems fun. (And yes, it's in Sweden)

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 Post subject: Re: So, is PC gaming past its time?
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You gotta worry for PC games in general. The best PC only games have been leaking onto consoles. Sims / Football Manager / Command & Conquer have all leaked into the console market. Now first person shooters and the like are being made on console and ported back to PC.

At the end of the day, people are always gonna have computers, because your PC is much more than just a gaming device. Games are a secondary consideration to its primary function, much like games are a secondary to the Sony's Blu-Ray player... XD

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 Post subject: Re: So, is PC gaming past its time?
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I played on my PC from 95 to 2003 and I would say that PC gaming is "dead" for casuals.
There is still a lot of pc gamers out there, but others (like me) is tired of the requiermens for the games.
I bought Black and White 2 some months ago, but it lagged all the time. FPS'es is still best for the mouse and keyboard, but they're very good on the 360 and the ps3.
Strategy games works great on the DS as well as Point and click games.
The only game that people outside of the pc gamers will by is Sims 3.

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 Post subject: Re: So, is PC gaming past its time?
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i dont know why you think the pc-gaming could be dead!?
starcraft 2
stalker: clear sky
crysis (playable on a decent computer)
anno 1701
neverwinter nights 2
sw: battlefront 2
that are some newer games for the pc which, i think, will be or were very good.
besides halo, zelda, smashbroth, and some ff-games the consoles doen`t have more or better games.
In Fact, these one year old consoles game rereleased for the pc often have more features, better graphics and more levels.

I will have enough fun with starcraft 2 i think so i won`t have any problems and i don`t even own a "next-gen"console after the N64.


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 Post subject: Re: So, is PC gaming past its time?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:44 pm 
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Sorry to go back a few pages, but I wanted to address this.

GodLovesYou wrote:
Right now I'd say gaming as a whole is kind of in a stand-still.

The industry is booming but the creativity and innovation in titles is seriously lacking; what we see now is RTS and MMOs for the PC audience and FPS/TPS and Racing games for the consoles.

I don't really think PC gaming is dead or even past its prime; who knows if what we've seen so far was really the prime? What I will say however is that the shareware days were great for gaming and if we could make a return to something like that it I think it would help the industry a lot.

Just my two cents though.

I also want to point out that Master of Orion 2 kicks ass.

I agree completely. The big publishers are too afraid to take risks, so we end up with Generic Shooter 42 and Yet Another WoW Ripoff.

However, independent developers have been doing really well on PC, and that's where the innovation can be found. There are games on Newgrounds that are better than a lot of the crap we're being charged $50 for.

Steam has been successful because it allows you to buy and play games online and in chunks. Digital distribution, micro-transactions and episodic content, as shitty as they may seem at times, are really the wave of the future for gaming. The indie developers have been doing this all along, and the big boys are finally catching on and adapting to it.

However, now we have console gaming getting onto the independent, episodic and micro-transaction scene with XBLA, PSN and WiiWare, which have all been really successful.
I have no doubts that PC gaming will continue on, but it will likely continue to be shadowed by the consoles.

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 Post subject: Re: So, is PC gaming past its time?
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The only thing that has got me going to upgrading in the past was HL2 (twice!!!) TES4, and Spore right now (though I can run it on my old pc just fine).

While we have less anticipated titles recently, PC market is far from dead really. VALVe has easily shown us that with TF2, it's true that times when CC3, Far Cry, Doom 3, HL2, FEAR all came out it's awesome, but we rarely do we have times like this. We just gotta wait when the all-time franchises return for another go. We even got Duke Nukem Forever coming out soon (judging from trailers, it goes back to it's roots!), we just gotta wait.

I don't get how people complain that the price of PCs compared to consoles are too expensive right now. First off, it's more than a gaming console, people are running websites, corporate emails, rendering things on PC(infact companies hit the Fortune 500 because of PCs). You're typing and surfing the internet right now!

You need to have a PC whether you plan to use it to play games or not, so you already got to drop several big ones for work and internet. Why not invest the cost of a console into the PC and make it able to play games? If you make it game ready, all the components upgrades you add in future-proofs your PC even more for work, especially those to adopt to new OSes like Vista (exception of GPU).

Then the gaming performance demand. It's not a matter of gaming performance demand, but more making the right choices. I've seen so many times that some joe blow going to BestBuy and absorb every crap(like a sponge mind you) that spews out of the commission based sales rep, then goes to buy a ATi X1600PRO for his spyware-infested HP computer that results in dropping 3 Benny's (thanks to the extended warranty plan ) before heading out the door with the mindset of having a good gaming PC. Only to go home to find that Crysis does not run maxed out (or in Joe's term, runs like shit), then proceeds to go to his blog/forum and bitch about how expensive the whole PC gaming thing is.

What's wrong with joe? He didn't put his lazy non-product researching ass in gear before he bought the PC component. Product-research is very vital prior to buying ANYTHING, and this principle applies a lot to PCs. Second of all you don't have to run all games maxed out to be considering running in PC gaming. To put it short performance PC's aren't expensive.


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 Post subject: Re: So, is PC gaming past its time?
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I don't know where you guys take your facts... because PC gaming NEVER... EVER got weak. First off, you have to understand a couple of things.

First, unlike consoles, there is NO representative (Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo) to pour in millions in making you believe it's the best platform, since it's praticly open to everyone who knows just a lick of programing.

Secondly, sales figures that analysts are using are purely RETAIL (IN-STORE), they don't have access to sale figures from STEAM, D2D, other online retailers etc... Which has grown up ALOT in the past years... Personaly, i don't remember going to a store in the last 2 years to buy any PC game... yet i spent about 350$ last year on PC games...

The thing is, most people think PC gaming has gone down the crapper in the past few years... yet, it IS the most played platform right now... I know many women who bought the sims 2 with all the billions of expansions. Others I know play online with those Popcap games like bejeweled, and all the other ad-supported free games. PC games are not just "Crysis" and whatever ressource hog you guys immagine. Heck, i think the most played game i've ever seen was Spider Solitaire...

On another hand, if you guys want to get into PC gaming... seems like summer 2008 is the time... currently the high end videocards from ATI are retailing for $199/$299, and they pretty much are as powerful as nvidia's 9800/9800gx2... so you can game for less than a PS3 this year... on the PC ;)


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 Post subject: Re: So, is PC gaming past its time?
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the fact of the matter is, all consoles are PCs with different OSs. eventually consoles will become obsolete and you will all be playing the more superior from of gameplay, the PC.

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I don't remember where I heard it, but with consoles the way they are, the next step would be one powerful console for all. Instead of jabbing each other, if all the console makers pooled resources to create an amazing console cheap enough and powerhouse enough, they could make dime! Gamers would benefit greatly I think.

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I don't remember where I heard it, but with consoles the way they are, the next step would be one powerful console for all. Instead of jabbing each other, if all the console makers pooled resources to create an amazing console cheap enough and powerhouse enough, they could make dime! Gamers would benefit greatly I think.

Yea.. but I don't think that'll ever happen. Remember: we're dealing with M$ and Sony. (I don't think Nintendo would put that many demands.. As long their name is on it xD)

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I highly doubt PC gaming will die.

Just as long as Valve stays in business we'll be good. LOL

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PC gaming has never been big with me, and mostly because it's impossible to keep up with the technology PC developers keep on cranking out. I'd rather spend $400 on a console when it comes out and have it for 5-7 years than being forced to upgrade on a yearly basis and dropping $2000+ on a gaming PC which will be obsolete by the time I take it out of the box. To PC's credit, the graphics hold up a lot longer than console games. I mean, Half-Life 2 still looks great when it was ported over to the 360 and PS3, and that game came out in...2003?

However, if there's a big-time title on the PC, unless it's an RTS, it's gonna get ported over to consoles eventually. I was patient, and I got Half-Life 2 on the Xbox 360, which is one of the most amazing game experiences I've ever played. Definitely worth the long wait. Also, most games are just better on consoles. I've played Mega Man via emulator, and playing it on a keyboard sucks in comparison to a controller. Having played Doom both ways, on dual-analog and mouse-and-keyboard, while mouse-and-keyboard is more accurate, the dual-analog control scheme has one goal in mind, and that is speed.

The most recent game I played on the PC was the PC port of Final Fantasy VII (that was in 2000, I think), which I cut my RPG teeth on. Absolutely sublime, but the music sucked since it was in MIDI, and not MP3. I play Doom on my Mac laptop, and I know I'll get a USB notebook mouse for it, but I still like it better via XBLA.


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