That entire game was an abortion afterthought. Just like the first one was. Of System Shock.

yea, tacked on multi player is probably my 2nd biggest gripe with video games today , the first being a games single player campaign being criminally short so it can have a more robust multi player, no game that is 4 hours should ever receive a 9/10 review score or higher.

but yea, tacked unnecessary multi player being added just because its the "in" thing right now just about ruined resident evil 5.

survival horror should never, ever be multi player, its about that feeling of isolation, being alone, out numbered, out gunned, and having to get by on your wits and a good measure of luck, not having a buddy to run and gun with you .

I just read a rumour on Joystiq and it's saying that the multiplayer will be humans vs necromorphs... yeah I can't say I'm interested.

tacked on multiplayer or not, does it really take away from the fact that dead space 2 will be hella fuckin balls to the wall awesome?

No it doesn't, and I'll probably end up getting day 1 but I just think by tacking on multiplayer that people will mostly likely ignore they could be using that time/man power to make the single player that much better. That's my main gripe with pointless multiplayer.

ya it would be nice if they focused that time/manpower on making the single player a great experience because I have never really been super interested with any game online. let me just say if I bought call of duty black ops, it would be because of the single player story and the fact that it's an interesting part of American history and that kind of thing interests me, along with the American revolution and world war 2.

That's how I am with 99% of games. The 1% is Blur. I bought that because I wanted to play strictly online as the idea of a grown-up version of Mariokart's multiplayer was just too good to turn down.

But still from what everything I've seen so far the single player for Dead Space 2 looks really solid. Also they improved the Zero G segments!

Wow, you may be my favorite person on this forum after that comment. So sick of arguing with inexperienced fanboys as to why Bioshock sucks total ass.

this.

it was the atmosphere and level design of bioshock that did it for me. of course the story was very well done and was done in the same style as half life where the story is carried on through the actual game play and doesn't bore you with long cut scenes. I also thought the game play was cool. I enjoyed messing about with different plasmids to see what kind of effect they had. It's funny to see dipshits that are eager to jump on the band wagon and say that bioshock sucks ass and they're arguments are always the same. I have never played the game system shock which is good for me because then I don't have to compare these two games and I can judge bioshock on it's own qualities. I haven't played bioshock 2 and I probably won't, but I am very excited for Bioshock Infinite.

Further continuing the derailment, Bioshock has a shitty story and the most obvious twist imaginable. If anyone DIDN'T expect the guy telling you to KILL LITTLE GIRLS to be evil, well, sorry, I kinda wish I had that naivete. The atmosphere was great and the settings were interesting until Arcadia, where everything gets boring and repetitive (I mean, the bit in the theater was literally all about distracting from the main game, they were just trying to pad it out with pointless bullshit!), then the last third of the game screws the pooch with a tacked on escort mission, a shitty boss battle, and a rushed ending. It felt like they spent too much time trying to make the game "long" in the middle that by the time they got to the end they had to rush to finish and ship it. I still don't see what the big deal is about it, even without playing System Shock.

Back on topic, I think Dead Space 2 is actually going to be rather good and we should retitle this thread.

Are some people really such solitary creatures that they'd shun an opportunity to play a game with their friends in exchange for another hour or two of single player? Most people who played the Bioshock 2 MP never stopped to think that very few online MP games let you shoot electricity, fire, bees, ice and pick up objects and throw them at people, they just see something that took more time and money away from the single player.

yes. some people don't give a shit about multiplayer to begin with. it has nothing to do with being solitary and usually it's little 14 year olds that stay locked in their rooms playing online games that are the "solitary creatures".

True dat.


If I wanted to play an online shooter I'd probably go with a much better one that has a larger and more lasting population.


E.G Battlefield 2

hell id give up multi player for a game of the same length just with slightly more polish. generally speaking, I could care less about multi player.

some games work great multi player, survival horror, where the genre in its entirety is based around a feeling of isolation, multi player is 110% completely and totally tacked on because it is popular atm.

back to bioshock, its the perfect example everyone cried foul when the first game launched with out multi player, then when they put in the 2nd game everyone bitched it was tacked on and felt out of place.

some games are just not meant to have multi player, and thank god for that, I would quit gaming if every game that came out was a halo or call of duty that only contains 4 hours of game play so they can work on the online game play so you can get called a 'very nice gay man' by some 12 year old with a god complex.

See, for me, the atmosphere was constantly killed by the respawning baddies everywhere. There wasn't enough variety in the enemies (yes, re-skin the big daddy and consider him a "new" enemy). The story was basically taken from System Shock, they just changed some characters around and set it underwater. Even the twist was pretty much identical, and I could see it coming from a mile away. The style and most of the atmosphere was straight out of the original fallout games. I mean, everyone boasts about Bioshock's originality, but if you've been a gamer for longer than 5 years, you know there really isn't much originality in that game. The AI was terrible (could kill a big daddy with a wrench), and even if you had difficulty with the game there were too many respawn points, which neutralized any difficulty you may have had. It also made it damn near impossible for me to be immersed, and wrecked any type of horror aspect the game was going for (i know it wasn't a horror game, but it was definitely going for creepy). Don't even get me started on the hacking, that was horrible. There was no inventory system, and becuase of that upgrading weapons was boring.

Worst of all, even if you ignore all the problems above, it was not fun to kill things. I got no satisfaction from shooting or killing anything in that game. The shooting mechanic felt weird, and it basically became work to beat it. I felt no need to use anything but electricity and a wrench, there really was no point in having all the other weapons, and none of them were fun to use aside from the plasma gun. I don't see what everyone was raving about, System Shock 2 is almost 10 years older and is still a better game to this day (especially if you get the graphic packs).

The thing that really did it for me in Deadspace was how ridiculously fun it was to sluaghter the necromorphs. Taking limbs off was incredibly satisfying and the atmosphere was even better. So not only was it fun to play, and had a great story, the atmosphere was way better, and creepier. The monsters had way more variety, and the different weapons actually came into play depending on what you were fighting. It had more creative boss battles, and the enemy AI was actually pretty decent. Fuck Bioshock.

A horde type mode for dead space 2 might actually be really awesome. or maybe some kind of objective based mode. hell, even a mode similar to the one on left 4 dead 2 where 1 team is the survivors and the other team is the infected would be kick ass (except in this case it would be one a team of engineers and a team of necromorphs). It doesn't bother me that they will be including a multiplayer, just as long as the single player is awesome.

wow, I remember back when someone from visceral games said that they would be focusing on action more than scares and people said it would be another gears of war clone lol.

I'm starting to notice a pattern with the all the Bioshock hate.
Bioshock haters = System Shock fanboys.

Never played System Shock before. Thanks for playing though.

Also let me reiterate my opinion.

First two stages of Bioshock are great...the rest of the game however sucks, except for the story which died after the 'Twist'

The last 5 or so hours were terrible.