As silly as someone spreading crap about something entirely unrelated to the thread then telling other people that if they don't like it to go away and be quiet? Because that sounds ridiculous. I said your type of nonsense pisses me off. My posts are, however, not instigating or insulting. So, somehow inferring that, because I admit you said something that annoyed me bars me from participating, is truly ridiculous.

ViewtifulGeo, believe me, I'm very aware of how people view technology as a bunch of magic boxes. But that's not really what I was talking about. I don't care if people like PC gaming or not, in this instance, it's entirely opinion based. I'm not offended because someone doesn't like PC gaming or something like that, I couldn't really care less. I'm annoyed because listening to people talk about PC gaming is like listening to Fox News segments on gaming in general: complete and utter garbage and entirely inaccurate filled with how it's the worst thing in the world since Satan and gay rights movements.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this section of the forum meant for well-informed, non-flaming posts?

too much ot flame wars breaking out here

Also topic is not srs bizness. Political unrest in Egypt is srs, console warz are not.

The notion that people always want things THAT simple is completely alien to me. People want simple technology but are perfectly fine with learning the most complicated in depth games? Im not saying people want things complicated, but sometimes oversimplifying things means taking control out of the hands of the user. Something I believe most people want to retain.

Granted our experiences with people and technology seem to be on opposite sides of the coin. Over here the PC versions of games sell the most copies. I don't know a single console only gamer. The few that do own consoles are still primarily PC gamers (even the casual gamers). So in contrast to your statement, I think I can count all the gamers (not including casual) that can't build their own systems on one hand.

There are some people who spend all their time learning to drive cars, and people who spend all their time learning to fix them. It's rare to find someone who does both.

Crono, I'll say this. If you were seriously getting pissed off over what I had to say, then you have bigger problems man. It's okay, you can talk about the differences between consoles and PC without it being a bad thing. Hell, I did it and you totally were ready for a fight from the get go by accusing me of starting something and proclaiming that you were pissed off when all I did was explain why someone might prefer consoles over PC. And this is most definitely not serious fucking business so take it somewhere else man. I thought the whole point of this thread was talking about which system would be wise to buy, so wouldn't our little thread mini discussion fall into that as well?

Anyways this whole thing is retarded. You are way too defensive and ready for a fight. I said it once and I'll say it a million times. Take a step back, and come back when your ready to play nice.

Good save, not really.

Colonel Panic, it's not something I entirely understand myself. But then again, it could be a cross section of gamers who also like quick time events.
I also, don't know a single person, personally, who only plays games on console. You just have both, because it allows you to play stuff. I don't know.

I have noticed that in Europe it's much more common to be PC gamer exclusive ... those UK copies of PC games are pretty large evidence of that (We never got the CE for Arkham Asylum on PC :\)

I don't think it's necessarily people who grew up on just console either ... because that's what I grew up playing ... and I still like PC gaming, so I don't know? Maybe there was never that moment where people saw the merit and as a result they just file it under bullshit. (I think my moment was Quake 1 and Half-Life) Half-Life made me stop and go, oh ... maybe I should have a computer to play games on.

The only computer games I ever played before that was this space invader clone on Mac Plus and this game where you have to drop a dude from a helicopter onto a horse carriage filled with hay.

Apparently, what I said was provoking and not very nice. Okay, let me try again.

In my opinion, owning and playing video games on a console is a lot easier. Think of it like getting a big mac at McDonald's. It's not too expensive and it gets the job done. There is no denying that PC gaming is far superior to consoles, but there is a reason why people choose consoles over PC. A reason that I have said a couple different times already in this thread. I also think that it's unrealistic that a lot of people can own a PS3/Wii/360 and still have the funds to build your own gaming PC on top of buying the latest games that come out for it, so you're either going to have one or the other. With that in mind, the only thing that's going to be the deciding factor for most people is if they are interested in console exclusives and if they want something that doesn't require too much maintenance, also cost.

I am aware that anyone can build a gaming PC nowadays but is it really that hard of a concept to grasp? Building your own PC isn't for everyone. People like different things.

Crono, I invite you to explain to me how owning a PC has all of the simplicity of a console and how it doesn't require all of that system maintenance like installing new drivers and hardware. I'm not out to provoke you or flame you, so just take it easy.

Lol, those two were some of the games I played growing up.

Yeah, a few PC exclusive stuff every now and then is all we usually get. And Secret Window for the DS for some reason.
It's like you said, Europe is definitely more PC oriented. Yet a majority of the greatest PC games of all time come from the states. I dunno, I guess I just find it strange that we're culturally so much alike, but our gaming habits are so different. I mean in the US the three major hardcore gaming platforms rank (game sale wise) in the following order:

XBOX 360
PS3
PC

But over here it's mostly either the PC or PS3 in the lead (varying from country to country) with the 360 usually in last place. Total opposites. I guess the PC does share allot of the 360's exclusives and that might be why people pick the PS3 if they've already got a gaming PC... I dunno.

Dude, what were those games!? I've been trying to remember the helicopter one's name for like 15 years.

I don't know, I think it has something to do with the Microsoft issue in the US They sort of have a stranglehold here more than anywhere else. The average consumer generally thinks of them as Microsoft = computers (to my eternal disdain).

I know when Xbox 1 came out a lot of people bought them instead of buying a PC (because that makes sense). Just because of name association.
That's the only thing I can think of. It's kind of like how Nintendo got their claws in with NES and Master System didn't stand a chance.

Gasoline, at this point in time you're being flat out antagonizing, and I'm not playing. Besides that, I said none of those things, so it doesn't even make sense for me to make those arguments to you.

That time I thought I was being respectful and fair but, if you say so...

PCs fuck up every now and again. The great thing about PCs is that you can fix them, or update them, or add on new components or whatever you need to do to keep them chugging. The Xbox was basically a buggy PC you can't fix. That's what I was trying to say and that's what I said originally. I didn't know that mentioning computers as anything but a positive is your trigger.

So, in conclusion, fuck the Xbox. It was a shit system overall except for a half dozen games or so. It being a shit system is part of the reason I decided to get a PS3 instead and I haven't regretted it. It has good games and me like good games *thumps chest* games goooooooooood *throws feces*





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Ok, now that we got that out of the the way...

Let me throw in some more background. If the seven deadly sins were accurate, I'd say in my use, I was a man of wrath. I broke my original PS1. and PS2 with my elbow. My own damn fault. I got a used ps2 on the cheap, and now it's starting to break down in the stupidest way. Nintendo and Sega systems could handle the beast. (Well maybe not controllers)

Now, I'm older, and wiser and just yell all video game systems with long diatribes about their mothers, or how they don't pay child support, or I just quote Happy Gilmore insults at it. I think nearly killing a friend because a piece of a controller almost brained him, in addition to mellowing the fuck out with age, had something to do with it. I no longer take out aggression on electronics. I'm proud to say I've owned one cell phone for three years. From 2002-2008 I owned 7 phones. That's right, I broke one at about the rate of 1 in under a year, at best.

Anyway, back to my cash choices.

I recently found a PS3...used, at a local retailer for under 300 dollars. It's a 60GB. (2+1/2 times the 360 repair)
I can wait a year for a new system, but they're all slimline and my HD won't work. (Scratch that)
I can pay for it to be repaired by microsoft (FOR 99 FUCKING DOLLARS)
Get it repaired locally and void the warranty.

Now I can repair my PS2s and maybe find a retailer to take them. That may shave the price for the ps3, and I could sell off my titles that are cross-platform and wait for good deal on them. Then, after fixing them, sell off the 360. Though, I have a lot of arcade titles, so I could keep it as an-arcade only machine.

If do that, I only sacrifice Crackdown and Saint's row 1.

I don't know, beyond preferences, my real problems are $$$. I can't really waste money if I want to learn fiscal responsibility before I make a fledgeling development studio. I'll need some breaks in my downtime. Is spending this money even worth it, or should I say FUCK IT, and enjoy all the wii has to offer? (I have a backlog)

Everything breaks. And your original statement was entirely negative using PCs as the reason they were negative (it was not positive, that doesn't even make sense in the context you said it). Unless you're talking specifically about something, like a Dell or Compaq built computer, in which case, PCs don't break in your example, Dell's do. Or Compaqs. There's a huge difference.

In any case, you haven't clarified what you were saying. I still don't know if you're referencing the hardware or the software (since they're different). The Xbox 1 was, literally, an x86 computer, though. As far as I know it didn't have very many hardware issues, though. Just software ones. (in which case your argument would be against Windows, not PCs. Again, there's a big difference)

No, you generically said, PCs are garbage and xbox is garbage because it's like it's the same components, and yet it's worse because you can't fix it. That's what you said. That's what I was responding to. If that's not what you meant, ok.

My tone in responding to you wasn't polite, and I'm sorry. I was however, using my Danimal I'm laying down my thoughts tone, I felt it was only suiting

ViewtifulGeo, you want to be wary of local repair shops when it comes to PS3 and 360. They still do things like "reflow" the solder on the board (it's a BAD idea, it just weakens the joints) as a YLOD or RLOD fix (the actual solution is replacing the failed components or reballing the chips that have become unseated). BE WARY OF THIS. They might do it to your system even if that's not the issue. It is the internet's and local game shop's universal repair tool for the current consoles, but it will damage the system!

To be honest, the repair cost from Microsoft is always going to be like $100 plus whatever else, you should just replace the drive yourself. It's really easy if you follow a guide online. You can find the drives everywhere, even on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-DRIVE-Hitach ... B001PE9SH6

It shouldn't take more than an hour, following a disassembly guide. And, you know, only $20-$30. A local shop will likely charge a minimum of $50. Microsoft charges $100 plus shipping just to look at it. Buying a new one is even more expensive.

It's called StuntCopter.


StuntCopter was simple yet so entertaining. The greatest classic Mac games however were (spoiler tagging just so I won't derail this thread more than I already have)...



That's not a bad theory. I remember the U.S having a much greater online presence on the PC back in the late 90's. Then it kind of died down in the early 2000's.

First off, yes, I have.

Second, I've already mentioned how much I hate computers (you're not helping, btw) so do you really think I care enough to distinguish between a Compaq and Windows? No, I don't.

Third, I knew an Xbox was a computer in a console shell already (everybody should know that because that was a major selling point of the system), that's why I compared it to PCs because it's an appropriate comparison. I wouldn't take a lamp and compare it to a PC. Plus, I don't know if you know this, but computers weren't exactly perfect a decade ago (when the Xbox came out).




Fourth, "anything BUT a positive." BUT. There is a BUT in there. I mentioned a PC as anything but a positive and it set you off. The meaning of that sentence is that I KNOW I USED COMPUTERS AS A NEGATIVE hence "anything BUT a positive." You know what, lets look at why you got all defensive:



Honestly, I don't see what's bad about that. What are some of the problems that come with a PC that the Xbox also shares? Size for one. PCs take up a lot of real-estate (so much so to necessitate a separate desk) and the Xbox also took up a lot of real-estate, it was a gigantic system for the time. The Xbox was basically constructed from PC components that were lying around and PC components are not necessarily know for longevity. The average lifespan of a PC is usually 2-3 years with 5 years max before a major overhaul is required to keep it in tip-top usable shape. They need to be maintained or updated or replaced. The moving parts in a PC wear out fast. For every working Xbox that comes in my store, I see about five broken ones before it. Also, for every working one that comes in, about a quarter of them have been refurbished.

There is not a piece of technology that is perfect. Hell, I love everything about the original Nintendo but the first model of the NES had a major design flaw that basically made the system unusable after a while unless you opened it up and totally replaced the pin connector. The second model has major problems in terms of picture quality (it "jailbars" really bad) and it doesn't even have a jack for A/V cables, just an RF connector. If those consoles were released today, people would be pissed and bitch about them endlessly. I don't know why you think computers (software and hardware) are so perfect that they are outside the realm of ridicule or even benign throw away comparisons with a shittier piece of technology (the Xbox, which basically is a crap PC masquerading as a console).



Needs work.

The problem is this:


I don't care if you like computers, at all, I care about double talk like this.

What you're saying here is a generic statement, but you don't have the information to back it up. The fact that you fail to differentiate between vendors and operating systems when talking "computers", which you then used as evidence, reduces the validity of what you're saying ... to nothing.

What you're saying is invalid because you refuse to acknowledge that things are different depending on the system you have. It'd be like talking generically about all Playstation consoles, regardless of the generation, and then using it as a culminating example of something that's undesirable. It doesn't make any sense!

When I mentioned that to you, you went into prick mode, and I responded in kind. But this is what I've been explaining the entire thread: it has nothing to do with computers or you liking them or console vs pc or whatever other opinionated gibberish, this has to do with bad information. I responded casually to your comment and was greeted with a negative-predisposition by two members about issues I never even talked about.

I took the comments laid out here seriously because ... wouldn't you know it, it's the serious section.

I'm done talking about this, I can't re-explain myself or my original point anymore.

Col. THANK YOU! Seriously, I have been looking for the game/title for years!

ViewtifulGeo, you can look here http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to- ... -Xbox-360/ to see if taking the drive out is something you'd want to do (this shows how to remove everything, taking the drive out ends at step 4) If so, at least consider just replacing the drive, it would be the simplest option (assuming the issue is the drive ... it boots and all that other stuff right? It's just specific discs that don't work.) You may also want to consider, if those games are somewhat worn, getting them buffed.

Is it really double talk? When a layman (and trust me, I am a layman when it comes to computers) says the word "computers" they mean computers. Here is what I think of when I see or hear the word computers:



I don't think of operating systems and graphics cards and hardware and fans and software. I think of an anthropomorphic cartoon clip art computer using a telephone to access the internet. If you're getting on my case for not knowing enough about computers, guilty as charged. I hate computers. I never tried to hide it, you asked me to be specific, I was as best as I can be, then you got all indigent, I explained what I meant, you called me a prick. I meant the problems with PCs in the most general way as possible... and trust me, there general problems with PCs like costly maintenance or potential cyber attacks like viruses. I know consoles now are open to the same cyber attacks but nowhere near as frequent. I'm a one time cost kind of fellow. For example, my SNES just turned 20 years old. I still play it frequently and it has never required extra expense other than what was initially put into it. My 64 turned 15 this year, and it has never had required any maintenance besides dusting it off. My Dreamcast turned 11 this year, ditto. My PS2 turned 7 this year, same thing. My laptop turned five, and it's about to fall apart or melt, I don't know which it will do first... and it has been well maintained and had a lot of money put into updating software and maintenance.

I recognize that PCs are great things for people, but they aren't really for me other than the basic things I already use them for (research, word processing, internet). One of the costs intrinsic to buying a PC is maintenance, which I dislike (even hate) in terms of gaming. I'm a one time cost consumer. If I can avoid buying something that I know will cost me more in the long run, I will. That is why I take care of everything I own and view it as an investment... especially video games systems.

You're the one that made it into a very personal attack rather than a general discussion about the personal economics of gaming.



In what capacity? We were both speaking in very general terms and you took it as an incredible offense to all PC-kind. It's not like we were both "PCs blow in every way." We were both more like "I can see why computers are attractive to some people but consoles are just more accessible to us as individuals and we like them more."



You can't defend it either, apparently.

My first PS3's blue-ray drive stopped working but thats because it broke after butting a terrible quality game disc from blockbuster and not checking. Yeah no warning nor slow down. absolutly not a single issue until installing said game

got a 360 same year, still have it, it can be noisy and slow down and i am afraid it will red ring eventually

my new PS3 I had for year, no problems, I play it more mainly because of free online and stuff and I generally like the games on it more. I use my 360 for exclusives and shooters I do not plan to play online for a little while

between the two, I do not see a difference in graphical quality, game choices, and services. but I heard the new slim PS3s are great. but thats just me

its a trough choice. my reccomendation is to just roll with one