After playing Duke Nukem Forever for awhile I need to get an opinion off my chest on modern FPS games.

Remember when old FPS had the player spend as much time exploring levels as much as they did actually shooting enemies? You had to go around the map looking for weapons, ammo, health, keys, doors, and enemies in order to progress and you actually had to keep on your wits? And you actually had to be cautious abput being hurt because wounds STAYED ON you until you found healing items?

Yeah ever since the days of Halo (or possibly before Halo, Halo is the earliest game I remember doing this) FPS games had players with health that could just regenerate over time, making players somewhat invincible as long as they take cover for a few seconds. And they don't have to explore the levels very in depth because they're linear. I remember being happy when Doom 3 came out and it was a new FPS and the game forced the player to explore the levels to try and find power ups, keys, and stuff, granted it wasn't as deep as Doom or Blood but still.

I miss those days. I can't wait for the Duke Nukem 3D remake. That's gonna be fun.

I would of rathered a 3D remake of duke nukem 3D ever before forever

FPS games need to be more realistic settings and scaryer!

I just want HL3.

Attack of The Mutant.

I liked Rise of the Triad because you could get high on shrooms and the whole screen would get screwed up.

Dude, if you get the new Medal of Honor you get an HD facelift of Medal of Honor: Frontline too... provided you buy it on the PS3. Yeah, Medal of Honor games are super linear, but even so, there are levels with plenty to explore. The mansion level comes to mind and the submarine docks. God, I fuckin love that game, I forgot the good times we had together. And usually I'm not a trophy hound but I'm going to play the shit out of Frontline and make that game my bitch. Also, two of the trophies quote Army of Darkness and a Beastie Boys song respectively... I love this game even more now.

FPS wise Goldeneye is as far back as I go. I did play Wolfenstein 3D but it was much later and on the Game Boy Advance... which is a pretty awesome port, I might add. I think it might be a perfect port but I'm not sure. All I know is Nintendo didn't butcher it like they did on the SNES. Oh, and I was surfing Gamespot for reviews of Wolfenstein 3D on GBA and this one makes me want to slap whoever wrote it:



.... and whoever wrote this teeth grindingly bad review also gave GTA IV a 9.5 which makes me want to Jeff Gillooly their knee cap with a police baton.

Seconded. Seriously why is this always the elephant in the room that is never mentioned when Gabe speaks?
[insert fat joke about Gabe here ]

I've kind of grown tired of FPS titles over the past decade for the simple fact that they just come off too similar; especially military shooters. I know there's a ridiculous amount of people looking forward to Modern Warfare 3 and Battlefield 3, but I couldn't possibly care less.

I miss being on my own wandering through areas like City 17 or Ravenholm looking for hidden caches of guns, ammo and health all the while shooting at damn near anything that moves. Every area felt new and exciting and wasn't just another shade of brown or grey.

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I'd prefer a new old style FPS myself, I like exploring in older games like Doom than having the more strait forward stuff I've tried today.

Don't we all, I have said this before that Valve dislike "3's"

Olly play Half-Life, 2, Ep1-2. It has some of those late-90s good ideas (Like variation from shooting) while still delivering a top notch narrative and gameplay experience. (I believe Valve actually refers to the series as first person action, since it's never just been running down a corridor and shooting stuff)

I do agree that there should be more FPS games that adapt some of these ideas, because they weren't bad ones and are not archaic at all. Limiting FPS to just running down a corridor shooting stuff (even a corridor made to look like your neighborhood) or running back and fourth in an arena is more archaic.

I don't think Health Paks should really make a come back, but this is mostly because of how they were always used. You'd often times find yourself in a game with no proper mission select structure only a save structure that autosaved (or overwrote your personal saves) where if you got in a position where, it saved then you died ... you're screwed, you have to play the entire game over again. Half-Life does health pretty well, by not making it in random places (it's mounted on walls and makes sense), the placement is anything but sporadic.

HOWEVER. Just because a game has regenerating health (honestly military shooters should have it setup to where you have to patch yourself up for the regen. to begin taking affect) doesn't mean it can't do all those other things ... one thing I think we should NEVER go back to doing is scouring a level for some randomly dropped piece of health.

That was one of the worst thing about FPS games. But other opportunities for exploration do exist.

And Medal of Honor Frontline ... is like half way through the series. Play Allied Assault, it's MUCH better. It's expansions Spearhead and Breakthrough are also good. Frontline came out sometime right before the first expansion Spearhead.

The console games are OK, it is originally a console title, but the original 2 on PS1 are better, in my opinion. Especially Underground, I had a blast with that game.

One really nice thing about the older MoH games (i.e. pre-Pacific Assault) you had stealth missions. So, you had to actually go through enemy lines and pose as various people to SS to get through checkpoints. It really added a lot to the games.

Yeah, Allied Assault is much better (and the online multiplayer community is still very active). You know, I never did get a chance to play Breakthrough. That was about North Africa and the Big Red 1, right? Spearhead was Battle of the Buldge and it was freaking awesome. The best part, you could probably run those games on an I-Phone nowadays. But, you know what I never liked about Allied Assault? The faces. They looked super goofy always.

I still like Frontline a little more because of the Operation Market Garden levels (Arnhem Knights is the best level of the game) and I just really enjoyed it as a kid. Oh and the music! My god the music was glorious! I still know every inch of that game like I know every inch of my dick... that is to say, I know 10 inches of the game. HIGH-OH! *goes for a high five*

But cerally, Allied Assault costs what? A song and a nice "hello" nowadays? Like seriously, its $0.29 on Amazon right now. I'd recommend both if you got the cash.

Oh, and Frontline on the Gamecube had multiplayer... which was super sweet.

Spearhead was definitely my favorite from the AA era. The only issue I had with Allied Assault (which I'm installing again right now) was the final mission. It's fucking impossible. I just cheated. I didn't care, I wanted to move on.

I still haven't finished Breakthrough, to be honest. I'm not sure why, it just doesn't feel put together as well. It's not bad, of course.

The other thing that's awesome about Spearhead? You're Gary Oldman. (Or rather, Gary Oldman is reading letters from the person your character is based on) Which is AWESOME.

Honestly, I'd suggest the Anniversary PC bundle (these games aren't on Console) http://www.amazon.com/Medal-Honor-10th- ... 318&sr=8-3

It includes all the PC MoH games except the latest one.

Pacific Assault is the weakest one, without a doubt. But it's still not a bad game. (It's actually very interesting if you play on realistic. It removes the hud entirely and crosshairs, they're still there, of course, but you can't see them. And oddly enough, it enhances the game)

Airborne isn't a bad game either and is pretty damn unique. You parachute into various areas ... this is the game they tried to introduce some RPG like elements to. Anyway, it's not as good as the others, but well above the more recent WW2 console ventures of the series. The game, to note, got panned, basically, because it was in WW2.

Anyway that's only $17 with free 3-5 day shipping. The WarChest is $13 with SuperSaver shipping, which means $4 or spend more than $25 ... ends up being cheaper to get the Anniversary edition.

I'd also like to note that the guys who made Allied Assault ... went on to form Infinity Ward and made Call of Duty ...Now, I know Olly hates Call of Duty ... HOWEVER ... I'm pretty damn sure he hates MODERN Call of Duty. The original games were very different. They were fun because of the shooter mechanics and diverse level design. The new ones are just set pieces. And I'm more pissed off about that than anyone being a CoD fan from the beginning.

Anyway those games have some of the best FPS gameplay I've ever played: http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-United- ... 638&sr=8-1 And it's $30 for Call of Duty, United Offensive, and Call of Duty 2.

They're the good ones. And they're unbelievably great. Though, there isn't a lot of variation in what you're doing, the shooting and level design is ultra-solid. (Also, one of the first FPS' to aim down sights, which was actually necessary, and to have a incredibly diverse selection of weapons available to you on the battlefield)

Here's the first Demo they released for CoD1, Dawnville: http://download.cnet.com/Call-of-Duty-D ... 39518.html
It's seriously good.

How did this turn into a Medal of Honor thread? It's a good series but still a damn sight far from the point of the topic it seems...Regardless, I miss these too. I'm actually on my second ("Damn I'm Good") run of Duke Nukem Forever and I'm having a crapload of fun still. I really don't know what a lot of people were wanting from this game still, but I got one hell of an enjoyable experience that just kinda let me chill out in Duke's world when I felt so inclined. It was a world that feels like it would continue right on living even after I turn the system off, a feeling I NEVER get from games like Halo or Call of Duty.

Okay, I don't know where I was going here beside another Duke gushfest...But I really have been wishing that XBLA would get a re-release of Shadow Warrior and Blood. Man those games were awesome.

Really? Level design was one of the biggest problems with DNF in my opinion. One long restrictive tube, with very little cover even though the game requires because it stole Halo's power armour mechanic. The only poenly designed level was the strip club, and that was just a fetch quest.

Yes! I want to dice bunnies in HD!

I wish we could get Blood and Blood 2 on XBLA or PSN. I loved those games. I have very fond memories of my buddy helping me build my first PC in 1997 after we were done we installed shareware copy of Blood. We played it for hours upon hours. I found it 2 years later at EB on sale for $6.00 and finally got to play the full thing.

THIS. Blood was awesome. I remember downloading it off Oldgames a long time ago. Good times! 3D Realms (I think thats the company that made it) needs to go back and put that game on XBLA.

That's actually Monolith games, who also did the awesome No One Lives Forever (and the not quite as awesome No One Lives Forever 2), F.E.A.R. (and the not quite as awesome F.E.A.R. 2) and Condemned (and the still pretty awesome Condemned 2, fuck the haters).

Monolith also made Claw. It's this 2D side scrolling action/platformer where you're a cat pirate. It's freaking great.