Smash Bros Argument - Rule #1: Don't talk about this thread

Link · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:08 am

Is Smash Brothers a Fighting Game?
Shit is about to get fucking real. :twisted:

Mr Black · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:26 am

I'll go with no. It's a competitive party game. I really like the series though and I really wish Brawl's price would drop...

gasline09 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:32 am

Sure it is. It's in the same perspective as any other fighting game and of course you are doing what else, fighting. Yes a lot of things in it are unorthodox but it still has all the characteristics of a fighting game where it counts. It's a unique kind of fighting game and that's not a bad thing. Not every fighting game has to follow the same format. It would really help the genre if more fighting games were as ambitious as Brawl was.

Darkseid · **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:43 pm **Posts:** 2555

Max wrote:

Sure it is. It's in the same perspective as any other fighting game and of course you are doing what else, fighting. Yes a lot of things in it are unorthodox but it still has all the characteristics of a fighting game where it counts.

Nice knowing you.

Link · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:10 pm

**WARNING BOTTLED UP NERD RAGE**

I lean towards the "Fighting game" category. Anybody who says otherwise is an elitist jackass who ejaculates every time a company vs. company game comes out. Fighting games, as a whole, are ultimately boring and uninspired. Occasionally they will try to break the mold, and that's awesome. Shit unfortunately never sticks. 1v1 combat against an AI or a Human is only fun for so long. The only reason combos and other advanced crazy shit exist in fighting games is because people tried to milk that shit for all it was worth back in the day. There was very little depth to the games overall, no real plots or story or experience points or anything at all to give you an involved experience. You mashed buttons and your opponent would usually die as long as you knew how to mash the right buttons.

My gut instinct is that MvC3 will be a pile of suck. I'm still buying it, and I expect to have fun, but then 1 week later I'll be like "Why'd I waste money on this?" There's ultimately little reason to pay attention to fighting games nowadays, even with online play. Unless you want to join the elitist supreme group mentioned above, you really only have one option:

- Play the game for a week or two until you get bored of single player, and then bust the game out at parties and other occasions with friends where everyone is bored and trying to figure out something to do.

Ralphanate · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:27 pm

Link wrote:

I lean towards the "Fighting game" category. Anybody who says otherwise is an elitist jackass who ejaculates every time a company vs. company game comes out.

That's a bit of a jerky way to view other people who don't agree with you isn't it?

Link wrote:

My gut instinct is that MvC3 will be a pile of suck. I'm still buying it, and I expect to have fun, but then 1 week later I'll be like "Why'd I waste money on this?" There's ultimately little reason to pay attention to fighting games nowadays, even with online play. Unless you want to join the elitist supreme group mentioned above, you really only have one option:

I hardly think that the game will suck especially with how Capcom is being pressured by fans to make it as good if not better than MvC2. As for longevity of playability, if it is as good as the it's predecessors then it will have decades of play in it.

Link wrote:

- Play the game for a week or two until you get bored of single player, and then bust the game out at parties and other occasions with friends where everyone is bored and trying to figure out something to do.

Isn't that Smash Brothers is anyways? I hardly even turn on my Wii and the only times are to just kill time or with friends who want to play it.

Now...back to the question at hand.

I do believe it's a fighting game but not one of the conventional sense. While it's not like Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat, it is nonetheless a fighting game.

(Also...hasn't this topic been dragged to death already? I mean there's usually a topic like this popping up at least 3 times a year on any other boards online. It always leads to it being locked or deleted because someone can't keep from trolling their opinions.)

Link · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:51 pm

Ralphanate wrote:

Link wrote:

I lean towards the "Fighting game" category. Anybody who says otherwise is an elitist jackass who ejaculates every time a company vs. company game comes out.

That's a bit of a jerky way to view other people who don't agree with you isn't it?

Isn't that Smash Brothers is anyways? I hardly even turn on my Wii and the only times are to just kill time or with friends who want to play it.

I was a jerk in that regard. I wasn't as clear as I intended. I guess I should correct myself and say "Anybody who makes it a point to stress that Smash Bros. isn't a fighting game and then give you shit for thinking so." Just to clarify. Basically, fighting game snobs.

They are the same thing, but Brawl (and to a lesser degree Melee) added a whole lot of different modes and activities to extend the life of the game. It was a lot more than just 1v1 matches. You'd have multiple opponents on the screen, races, dungeon crawling beat 'em ups, etc. throughout the game. In that regard it was a lot more robust and added more to overall experience, including all the trophy/sticker/music/stage/character collecting and what not. I'd have to say I put maybe 40+ hours into Brawl, and an ungodly amount into melee (because it worked well for group play.)

It still very much is something you just put in when you have nothing else to do. But it feels more as if it was intended to be that way as a fighting game that was also a party game, where as other fighting games (and their fans) take themselves way more seriously than that. Granted, Melee had people like that too, but there was also a crowd that just enjoyed fucking around. The same might be said of the vs. Marvel games to a degree.

gasline09 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:18 pm

Hadcore fans of fighting games will never accept that Smash Bros Brawl just might be a better game because it offers everything that Street Fighter 4 and Marvel vs Capcom 2 have to offer and then some more.

Yes Smash Bros Brawl is a fighting game and yes it's replay value is way ahead of most other fighting games out there.

It's not so easy trying to figure out which game is better between any 2 games because of the fans, and of course everyone has a different idea and criteria of what makes a game better than another. Let's look at this from the easiest way possible.

- Smash Bros requires skill and strategy to play
- It's a very different experience from other fighting games because of it's unorthodox gameplay mechanics
- It's a great party game that everyone can get into under the right circumstances
- It offers loads of game content aside from going 1v1 with a friend or 1v1 with a stranger online.

Let's face it, based on these facts alone (and probably some more facts than this) it is a much better game than Street Fighter 4 or Marvel vs Capcom 2 and that's most likely why the fans get pissed and say it isn't a real fighting game when it so obviously is. Grow up.

Link · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:27 pm

Max wrote:

- Smash Bros requires skill and strategy to play

This is a topic of dispute though. I mean, for one, you can walk in and just wing it and use items, etc. and do relatively alright. A well placed or spawned bob-bomb can fuck over a player. Which is when the hardcore folks start getting "No Items. Fox Only. Final Destintation. " about shit.

Shady-Lurker · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:33 pm

Yes, it's a fighting game.

To say other-wise is wrong, I don't care how you try and justify your view. You don't have to like it or the way it's done/presented/played by any means, but, you cannot simply deny that it is what it is, a fighting game. Period.

Darkseid · **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:43 pm **Posts:** 2555

Link wrote:

Max wrote:

- Smash Bros requires skill and strategy to play

This is a topic of dispute though. I mean, for one, you can walk in and just wing it and use items, etc. and do relatively alright. A well placed or spawned bob-bomb can fuck over a player. Which is when the hardcore folks start getting "No Items. Fox Only. Final Destintation. " about shit.

Link has a point.

I know two fighting game fans who hate a lot of the changes in Brawl because it made things unbalanced more than in Melee, constantly calling it one of the worst games ever constantly. Yes, that does get annoying.

However, that's why the fighting game community is so harsh on the series. It doesn't meet THEIR standards, which I could care less about because I find it fun.

Crono · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:38 pm

I'd say it's more of a subgenre of fighting games than anything else. I've always called it a brawler, because it's really got more in common with a beat-em-up than a fighting game.

gasline09 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:51 pm

Link wrote:

Max wrote:

- Smash Bros requires skill and strategy to play

This is a topic of dispute though. I mean, for one, you can walk in and just wing it and use items, etc. and do relatively alright. A well placed or spawned bob-bomb can fuck over a player. Which is when the hardcore folks start getting "No Items. Fox Only. Final Destintation. " about shit.

So that only means that this game can be enjoyed by both hardcore and casual gamers. That's a good thing right?

:-)

Also, even someone new to this game should be able to use some common sense and develop a basic strategy during their first round of playing the game. Or at least I hope they would be able to...

:uhh:

Darkseid wrote:

Link has a point.

I know two fighting game fans who hate a lot of the changes in Brawl because it made things unbalanced more than in Melee, constantly calling it one of the worst games ever constantly. Yes, that does get annoying.

However, that's why the fighting game community is so harsh on the series. It doesn't meet THEIR standards, which I could care less about because I find it fun.

It doesn't meet their standards because of how different it is than any other fighting game. Most gamers are puss and stick with something they know already.

As for which is better between Melee and Brawl, I would say that Melee is more balanced but Brawl has way more content so they both even out.

YutzWagon · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:19 pm

Seeing as how I like playing it, I'm going to say it's not a "fighting game" in the traditional sense. It's a party brawler.

gasline09 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:28 pm

Okay my final say on the matter is this.

The main focus of the game is player vs player (or player vs computer) fighting, therefor it is a fighting game, plain and simple.

You could call it a party game but it has more in common with the fighting game genre than it does the party game genre.

I guess calling it a "party brawler" could be a good medium between the two.

I don't see how it could be a beat em up unless you are talking about the story mode.

walky · **Joined:** Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:13 pm **Posts:** 194

Link wrote:

"No Items. Fox Only. Final Destination. "[/color]

Pretty much your typical GameBattles rules.
Yes, I do strongly loathe GameBattles.

Mongo · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:42 pm

If you don't count Smash Bros as a fighter, then what about Power Stone?

Link · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:56 pm

Mongo wrote:

If you don't count Smash Bros as a fighter, then what about Power Stone?

Ohhhhhh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. :rabbid:

gasline09 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:01 pm

They should make a fighting game in the same style as Smash Bros but have a roster of celebrities.

I would play that game I mean could you imagine seeing Ozzy, Betty White and Gabriel Iglesias fight to the deat?!

Shit would be INTENSE!!!

Darkseid · **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:43 pm **Posts:** 2555

Max wrote:

They should make a fighting game in the same style as Smash Bros but have a roster of celebrities.

I would play that game I mean could you imagine seeing Ozzy, Betty White and Gabriel Iglesias fight to the deat?!

Shit would be INTENSE!!!

They did that.

It was a game based off Celeberty Deathwatch.

It was not awesome.

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