Sugargene, does someone have to be good at soccer to realize that it sucks? Does someone have to be good at school to say they hate it? The argument that because I have never mastered a fighter is why I think it sucks is stupid as hell. If I wanted to, I could pick up any fighting game, put some time into it to gain the necessary experience, and compete on a high level. I just don't want to do that. The games are boring and repetitive. They are a waste of money. They aren't FUN. All the other games you mentioned aren't boring, they are different every time (except maybe racers which I agree with you but I already explained that most people don't play racers for the same reasons, they play to feel like they are actually driving sports cars).
YES, without being really good at soccer you won't be able to appreciate it to the fullest extent. Not only that, but it's natural to hate something because you suck at it. If you're like any normal person, and you're playing a game on a competitive level, and you lose then you're not going to enjoy yourself, but that's not the big issue. The big issue is saying that a genre of game sucks because of that. That's not ok, that's ignorant and insolent. You could say, "hey fighters are not my sort of game." and most would respect that, but instead you just say that they suck in general when clearly there are millions of people that love them. It's just a stupid comment to make.
If you don't master a fighter, then you only know the basics of the game, and only knowing the basics can cause the game to become repetitive and boring. For instance, using street fighter 3 third strike(because it's the fighter I'm more familiar with). If someone comes at me with a jump kick, I can do a number of things to counter or defend that. I could just do an uppercut and try to hit him with priority. If I do that he could parry it and go in with his own attack. If he does successfully parry I could parry his counter and so on (I've seen incredible parry battles in that game). Otherwise Instead of using a priority move on him, I could just block and try to throw, I could just dash away and keep defensive. I could try a special move in hopes that he won't be able to parry all of it. Those are just a few of the choices I have when there's a fucking jump kick coming at me, one of the simplest moves in the game, now I have to decide what I'm going to do in less than a second. Is that not depth? The answer is yes, yes it is.
I've grown up with fighting games. I still remember playing Primal Rage as a kid and picking the raptor because he had this bite attack that if you hit your opponent one time, you could mash the button over and over to keep hitting them and they could NEVER geta way. Hell, just playing Burst Limit recently I found out you can spam the charge up attack and get perfections on the hardest difficulties. Yeah what a great genre that requires so much skill! I have been around "professional" players and watched a lot of bouts being played both in person and online. Even on this site I've heard a lot about fighters because they are Joe and Tom's favorite genre I believe.
Yeah? That just means you didn’t know the game well enough to counter that attack. While it is true that there are some broken fighting games out there that are unbalanced you can say the same thing for any genre of game. EVERY GENRE HAS UNBALANCED GAMES. I could make the same argument for COD4 (don’t even get me started how broken and exploited this fucking game is, and yes I’m very good at it), for SC2(zerg currently at a disadvantage), for L4D2(another incredibly exploited game, although very fun), name a game so long as I played it enough and I guarantee you I can pick it apart and tell you what issues it had. That’s why games are constantly patched on PC, they fix errors, and constantly try to balance it. You know what else that means? It means players are constantly finding new ways of playing the game the developers didn’t prepare for and have to rebalance. That’s depth man, intentional or not.
I am hardly uninformed about the topic. Would you say that a sports reporter knows nothing about sports because he doesn't play them? Would you say that a science reporter doesn't know a lick of science because he himself isnt' a scientist? The only reason anybody is saying so is because they can't refute the arguments and are in denial so they simply try to discredit the writer by saying I'm not qualified enough to say what I say as if that would even make the arguments any less true in the first place.
Number one, science reporters are usually prominent scientists, dumbass. Secondly sports reporters are all different, some having played the sport and some not. The point is, even the ones that don’t play the sport enough know a great deal about the sport so your argument is yet again, retarded. Trust me, you are not knowledgeable enough to compare yourself to either.
The only "credential" or "piece of research" that I am missing would be to master a fighter myself but as I already explained, you don't need to be good at something to draw obvious conclusions about it.
That’s just it you’re drawing “obvious” conclusions. You’re looking at the surface of the game, and picking out what only the amateur can see. Because of that you’re blind to anyone’s argument as to why the game is deeper than you think. It’s because you literally cannot see the depth, just as when I watch football, all I see is a bunch of giant men running a football back and forth across a large field. Even though I’m not a sports guy, I’m not dumb enough to go around saying sports suck, they’re repetitive, lame and take no skill. I know well enough that there’s an incredible amount of strategy that goes into picking plays, using certain players and so on.
If anything, it makes me completely unbiased towards the genre which makes the arguments even MORE valid. Everything you mentioned about needing to know what chains into what etc isn't skill, it's EXPERIENCE. Did you even read the article or did you just get so angry at someone making the assertion that fighting games suck you went into reply mode? You are the biased one here desperately trying to defend your favorite gaming genre from being outed as obsolete.
No, it just makes you uninformed. You can have all the experience you want, shit I know about a lot of the combo’s ken has in SSF4, and I can only perform half of them. I’ve been playing streetfighter for close to 12 years now, by your logic, I should be unstoppable. No, because fighting games take much more than experience, you need to have finess, hand-eye coordination, and rhythym/timing. All that experience does for you in a fighting game is make you more familiar with it. Do you think experience would allow you to pull off something like this?
Or is it maybe that these players spent hours, days, weeks learning the rhythym of the game and of each move to do that?