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Sheep Cannon · **Posted:** Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:02 am

Link wrote:

What a fucking mess this shit is. Also, Daredevil is ending around that time too, which once again ties into my crazy conspiracy theory that The Punisher is going to be the new Man Without Fear.

Frank Castle has a secret passion for cosplay I guess

BuddyBaker · **Posted:** Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:06 pm

Link wrote:

So.... how about The Punisher seems to be getting CANCELED after they turn him back into a human? From what I gathered from the solicits after he becomes a human they're giving Rick Remender a 5 issue limited series called "Blood Ties" which will cost the obligatory 3.99 each.

What a fucking mess this shit is. Also, Daredevil is ending around that time too, which once again ties into my crazy conspiracy theory that The Punisher is going to be the new Man Without Fear.

The Punisher should have stayed dead. His death was written perfectly. He was finally able to go see his family again (I forget the narration captions, but it was something like that). He also died for a good cause, fighting Norman Osborne's (who put him through hell) corruption and evil. Everything with his death was well done. Then the f'd it up with Frankencastle and this "return".

Link · **Posted:** Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:34 pm

BuddyBaker wrote:

The Punisher should have stayed dead. His death was written perfectly. He was finally able to go see his family again (I forget the narration captions, but it was something like that). He also died for a good cause, fighting Norman Osborne's (who put him through hell) corruption and evil. Everything with his death was well done. Then the f'd it up with Frankencastle and this "return".

The Punisher didn't have a good death. I mean, it was epic, but you don't want the bad guys to win, especially someone like Daken. Also, prior to his death The Punisher roasted his family alive when The Hood brought them back. Probably the darkest The Punisher can ever get. Frankencastle sort of just made everything extra ridiculous and enjoyable from a "I like ultraviolence" perspective. I sort of wish they did more with it then make a brief few arc long stint, because NOW it looks gimmicky, where before it opened up a world of opportunity.

BuddyBaker · **Posted:** Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:52 pm

Link wrote:

BuddyBaker wrote:

The Punisher should have stayed dead. His death was written perfectly. He was finally able to go see his family again (I forget the narration captions, but it was something like that). He also died for a good cause, fighting Norman Osborne's (who put him through hell) corruption and evil. Everything with his death was well done. Then the f'd it up with Frankencastle and this "return".

The Punisher didn't have a good death. I mean, it was epic, but you don't want the bad guys to win, especially someone like Daken. Also, prior to his death The Punisher roasted his family alive when The Hood brought them back. Probably the darkest The Punisher can ever get. Frankencastle sort of just made everything extra ridiculous and enjoyable from a "I like ultraviolence" perspective. I sort of wish they did more with it then make a brief few arc long stint, because NOW it looks gimmicky, where before it opened up a world of opportunity.

It was super dark, which foreshadowed his death perfectly. It also helped establish Osbourne as genuine evil villain. Frankcastle was stupid, boring, and asinine. Just once a established comic book character should stay dead when killed.

Link · **Posted:** Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:42 pm

BuddyBaker wrote:

Frankencastle was stupid, boring, and asinine.

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I see Frankencastle crowds in two ways, those who enjoyed what Human Punisher was doing and disliked the death setup, there is no way they are going to kill a character in the middle of his popular on-going series and call it a day. The other crowd really enjoyed Frankencastle. I highly suspect that if Frankencastle was a limited series or a non-canon story everyone would be humping the fuck out of it, but instead everyone either went along for the ride or just got pissed off that it was canonical.

I for one really enjoyed the series, although it did have a slow start. Personally, I'm just pissed they're changing him back to human already because that DOES make Frankencastle look cheap and stupid. I'm assuming it had poor sales, despite all the positive reviews it was getting. The real mistake of Frankencastle was building up all this exciting stuff, and then suddenly killing him right while his story was getting good. Frankencastle needed to be something that started early on in the series or separate from the series to really have 100% support of the fans.

With that being said though, Frankencastle has been a badass ride of ultimate badassedness. It constantly was jumping the shark with pretty much every issue (although as I said it really didn't help that the first two issues were slow, and I know that's when a lot of people jumped off the book.) From the 3rd issue of Frankencastle on you had:

- Manthing + Frankencastle fastball special.
- Frankencastle flying in on a fire breathing dragon and using a WWII Machine Gun and mowing down people left and right.
- Frankencastle vs. Nazi Zombies
- Frankencastle shoving a grenade launcher down a person's throat and blowing somebody up with it.
- Frankencastle using ninjas as human shields.
- Frankencastle beating the living fuck out of Dakan and throwing him into a jagged pit of death.
- A really awesome backstory for the Frankencastle villain with beautiful artwork that drew parallels between both the hero of our story and the villain.

Really, pretty much every issue had something awesome going for it, and let's not lie here, Punisher has ALWAYS been about "killing people in the most badass ways possible", let's not kid ourselves here.

I'm definitely on the outnumbered side, at least on this forum, about Frankencastle. Although I do know that both Mongo and Beeslo (to my knowledge) stopped reading it, where as I stuck with it through those first 2 slow issues. The most interesting thing about it all is how quickly there were Pro sides and Anti sides, it was very polarizing, there was no middle ground. Regardless, I really hope that they don't end The Punisher series after this limited, as Rick Remender does an awesome job with the character whether he's dead or alive.

Sheep Cannon · **Posted:** Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:56 am

I think you pretty much nailed it there. It was an interesting idea, but it seemed really out of place in the main Punisher story. Had it been a 6 part mini it probably would have sold really well. Hell it could have been something they could have even spun off into a reoccurring series.

With that said though Frank Castle is one of those Marvel properties that has a hard time fitting in with the rest of the Marvel universe. He's got his own niche following (more so I think with the Punisher Max book) and Frankencastle left quite a few of those people just scratching their heads. From what I remember the artist on the arc was known for drawing really crazy looking monsters and they wanted some reason to get away with it. It attracted a lot of attention at first, but for me the reason why I dropped it was that it didn't really hook me even 3 books in. The art was great, the violence over the top (in a good way) but the story just didn't stand out.

Link · **Posted:** Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:38 pm

What's fucking weird is that it really just abruptly happens. Like, the death is awesome, but then all of a sudden it's like "Hey, all this stuff with The Hood and his resurrected enemies and shit, whatever, that's over, Hood's in jail now and whatever, It's Frankencastle time." Like they just sort of cold turkey you. I would have REALLY liked to see Frankencastle come back, kick Dakan's ass and then beat the fuck out of all these super powered reborn enemies. Maybe that will still happen, but with The Hood behind bars and Siege concluded, it's like The Punisher really doesn't have anything to do.

Sheep Cannon · **Posted:** Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:45 am

So, Shadowland is a big pile of shit.

Just felt like sharing that.

BuddyBaker · **Posted:** Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:51 am

Sheep Cannon wrote:

So, Shadowland is a big pile of shit.

Just felt like sharing that.

It is big pile of shit. However, a lot of the minis (Moon Knight and Power Man) are actually pretty good.

@Link As well thought out your pro Frankencastle argument was, I still don't like it. We are just going to have to agree to disagree on it.

Link · **Posted:** Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:43 am

BuddyBaker wrote:

@Link As well thought out your pro Frankencastle argument was, I still don't like it. We are just going to have to agree to disagree on it.

haha, it's cool. It just sucks being the lone Frankencastle guy. Rick Remender is pretty awesome no matter what he's doing with the character as far as I'm concerned. I'm bummed that his stint as Franken didn't last longer, but I'm still excited for what's next to come... although it does suck it's gonna be 3.99 an issue. :-/

Also, to add to my list:

- Frankencastle making Dakan explode into a Dakan pile of Akira oozey flesh. That was crazy.

Link · **Posted:** Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:17 am

In related news:

BuddyBaker · **Posted:** Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:21 pm

Link wrote:

In related news:

That was pretty good. Also, who else thinks Curse of the Mutants is stupid?

Link · **Posted:** Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:09 pm

BuddyBaker wrote:

Also, who else thinks Curse of the Mutants is stupid?

I'm actually loving Curse of the Mutants. Although if I wanted to be an ultra nerd I'd argue about Wolverine being turned into a vampire, but... whatever, that's my only complaint so far.

BuddyBaker · **Posted:** Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:19 pm

Link wrote:

BuddyBaker wrote:

Also, who else thinks Curse of the Mutants is stupid?

I'm actually loving Curse of the Mutants. Although if I wanted to be an ultra nerd I'd argue about Wolverine being turned into a vampire, but... whatever, that's my only complaint so far.

So is there anything we both like?

Sheep Cannon · **Posted:** Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:39 pm

So just a little update on Daredevil, Marvel announced that its going to be Black Panther that's going to take over the book.

Shady-Lurker · **Posted:** Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:35 am

Sheep Cannon wrote:

So just a little update on Daredevil, Marvel announced that its going to be Black Panther that's going to take over the book.

...fuckin' kidding me... :uhh:

Sheep Cannon · **Posted:** Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:29 am

Shady-Lurker wrote:

Sheep Cannon wrote:

So just a little update on Daredevil, Marvel announced that its going to be Black Panther that's going to take over the book.

...fuckin' kidding me... :uhh:

You have no idea how much I wish I was.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/black-panther-daredevil-100914.html

I'm just going to flat out say it: The best way to ruin a book? Add T'Challa. Seriously the character never fails to fail. The only time in recent memory when anything black panther related did anything remotely good was when they put Storm in the costume.

Link · **Posted:** Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:50 am

Sheep Cannon wrote:

I'm just going to flat out say it: The best way to ruin a book? Add T'Challa. Seriously the character never fails to fail. The only time in recent memory when anything black panther related did anything remotely good was when they put Storm in the costume.

But there are some die hard Black Panther fans out there who are loving this.

Kaiserhawk · **Posted:** Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:04 am

I feel sorry for the people of Wakanda

BuddyBaker · **Posted:** Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:36 pm

Link wrote:

Sheep Cannon wrote:

I'm just going to flat out say it: The best way to ruin a book? Add T'Challa. Seriously the character never fails to fail. The only time in recent memory when anything black panther related did anything remotely good was when they put Storm in the costume.

But there are some die hard Black Panther fans out there who are loving this.

All 3 of them.

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